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From "Bryan Thompson" <br...@systap.com>
Subject RE: [Jdbm-general] Apache DB subproject proposal: JDBM
Date Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:20:00 GMT
Jean,

In response to your post, I think that jdbm has satisified its goals and
core community base relatively well as a small persistence package -- this
is the primary reason why there is not a lot of developer activity at this
time.  There is a broad, if mostly silent, user base out there and questions
posted to the various lists get answered relatively quickly.  You do not
always have to grow to succeed.

That said, if the reason for sponsorship by Apache DB is to develop new
features in support of Apache DB, then perhaps it makes sense to discuss
exactly what features are desired and see who wants to step up for that
goal.

About myself, I worked extensively with jdbm about one year ago fixing
several issues relating to the weak reference cache, optimizing the object
cache model, and in general tuning performance.  I also did an integration
for compact, extensible, and transparently serialized object graphs for jdbm
records.  While I am no longer actively working on the project, I still
monitor the lists and would continue to provide support and might contribute
again if the project goals changed.

My open source activities go back into the late 80's with work on induction
systems, generic algorithms and neural networks.  Most recently, I started
http://www.bigdata.com.  This project is a scale-out database architecture
ala bigtable or HBase, but more general in its handling of key-range
partitioned B+Trees and supports a high performance RDFS+ database in
addition to a bigtable/hbase style store, a distributed file system, and an
object database data model.  It is currently in pre-release while we work
through some issues with load balancing across a cluster.

-bryan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdbm-general-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net 
> [mailto:jdbm-general-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf 
> Of Jean T. Anderson
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:00 PM
> To: general@db.apache.org
> Cc: JDBM General listserv
> Subject: Re: [Jdbm-general] Apache DB subproject proposal: JDBM
> 
> [resending to general@db ... I didn't spot 
> jdbm-general@lists.sourceforge.net cc'd on the original. 
> Also, I'm seeing Alex's post now, expressing his interest to 
> make a commitment, which is excellent.]
> 
> Hi, Cees,
> 
> JDBM certainly looks interesting!
> 
> One clarification about process is the project would still 
> enter incubation, but sponsored by Apache DB.  On graduation, 
> it would then join Apache DB as a subproject -- or possibly 
> even as its own top level project. (For example, Apache Derby 
> and JDO were sponsored by Apache DB, and graduated as DB 
> subprojects. Apache Cayenne was sponsored by Apache DB, but 
> graduated as a TLP. ) Exact destination gets determined at 
> graduation time -- but talk of graduation is leaping way too 
> far ahead for this discussion.  :-)
> 
> The Incubator proposal template will help guide discussion on 
> this list:
> 
>   http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#proposal-template
> 
> You can add a JDBM proposal to the Incubator wiki:
> 
>   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
> 
> I'd especially like to hear more about your thoughts regarding this
> comment:
> 
> > There have been some concerns about the continuity of the package, 
> > although the original contributors are still active.
> 
> Apache is about community -- and no project graduates from 
> the Incubator without demonstrating that it has a community 
> diverse and strong enough to manage that code base moving 
> forward. You stated a commitment to keep JDBM alive -- how 
> about the other contributors? --I'm keying in on this risk 
> mentioned in the template:
> 
>   
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-orph
aned-products
> 
> > I sincerely hope the Apache DB project will consider 
> adoption of the 
> > code base.
> >   
> 
> Again, Apache is about communities. We just need to make sure 
> that everyone understands that.
> 
> Since I pulled out a couple comments, possibly without 
> adequate context, I'm including your entire original post down below.
> 
> I look forward to hearing more about JDBM.
> 
> regards,
> 
> -jean
> 
> 
> Cees de Groot wrote:
> > (Currently: http://jdbm.sourceforge.net/)
> >
> > JDBM is an 8-year old open source library currently under a custom
> > (original-BSD-style) license created by me in 2000 as the result of 
> > some chat with folks from Intalio and extended by a number 
> of persons 
> > since then, most notably Alex Boisvert. It mainly aims to 
> give similar 
> > functionality as GDBM but it adds transactions and 
> btrees/htrees. As 
> > its goals were (and are) simplicity and robustness, after 
> an initial 
> > flurry of development the package has been mostly stable and is in 
> > use/has been used by a number of high profile projects 
> > (http://jdbm.sourceforge.net/JDBM-Powered.html).
> >
> > There have been some concerns about the continuity of the package, 
> > although the original contributors are still active. 
> ApacheDS already 
> > includes a (temprary) fork in the code base, and the main 
> question the 
> > mailing list receives is along the line "does it still 
> work?" (answer:
> > yes, it does - that fact that the stable release is 3 years 
> old means 
> > that we haven't received any serious bug reports since 
> then, I figure 
> > ;-)).
> >
> > While we were discussing the future of JDBM on SourceForge (people 
> > want to move to Codehaus because of the better tools), Emmanuel 
> > Lecharny (ApacheDS) suggested that we'd consider Apache DB as a new 
> > home, and I think it is an extremely good idea for obvious reasons 
> > (continuity, exposure, peace of mind for Apache DS and other users).
> >
> > JDBM still fills a good niche, IMO, and would be a 
> worthwhile addition 
> > to the Apache DB project. At the moment, I'm busy modernizing JDBM:
> > - Move from Ant to Maven (mostly done);
> > - Move from Junit3 to Junit4;
> > - Move to JDK1.5+, most notably by adding generics.
> > - Move from jdbm.* to a package name that is in accordance with the 
> > rules of ibiblio et al. for release.
> > - Re-license under ASL/MIT/BSD ("something in that 
> particular corner 
> > of the open source licensing jungle").
> > The first three points are underway, the package rename depends 
> > partially on its new home, and re-licensing requires some 
> discussion 
> > and a vote but the contributors so far are quite relaxed on 
> licensing 
> > (how refreshing!).
> >
> > Personally, as OC, I am very much committed to keeping JDBM 
> alive. I 
> > have a bit over 2 decades of experience with working in Free 
> > Software/Open Source Software environments (starting with an fast 
> > ANSI.SYS replacement, distributed over Fidonet, in the '80s 
> :)), among 
> > others I contributed to early Linux kernels, helped with 
> the port of 
> > Java to Linux as a member of the Blackdown team, ran the 
> > Linuxdoc/SGMLtools projects and I have been active in various 
> > Smalltak-related communities, most notably the Squeak community 
> > (squeak.org). So I hope I qualify the "open source experience"
> > requirement. As to the other main contributors, I leave it 
> to them to 
> > chime in.
> >
> > I sincerely hope the Apache DB project will consider 
> adoption of the code base.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cees
> >   
> 
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