From general-return-364-apmail-db-general-archive=db.apache.org@db.apache.org Sat Feb 25 17:27:17 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 7364 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 17:27:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 17:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 74919 invoked by uid 500); 25 Feb 2006 17:27:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-general-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 74716 invoked by uid 500); 25 Feb 2006 17:27:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: general@db.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list general@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 74692 invoked by uid 99); 25 Feb 2006 17:27:14 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:14 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [64.142.16.245] (HELO a.mail.sonic.net) (64.142.16.245) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:13 -0800 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-67-188-124-104.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.124.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1PHQpTl010959; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: <43F96444.5050007@web.de> <38B1F0B6-B0D7-462B-937F-2B73284CED15@apache.org> <43F9C53C.204@pobox.com> <0ED4389D-E379-466D-8F53-06D5E7488DFE@apache.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Bill Dudney Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian McCallister Subject: Re: Cayenne ASF proposal Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:50 -0800 To: general@db.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC is taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB Project -- which I don't think is quite what you want. I'm more than happy to mentor, personally, but that is me speaking, not the DB PMC. The ways of the incubator are more or less in slow flux as we figure out how best to make it work. If you want the DB PMC to sponsor the project I can bring a proposal to the PMC, but I am not sure what it means to have the DB PMC sponsor it and have the project intended to become a top level project. Looking at the proposal, I would suggest a couple small changes: * Change the requested cayenne-pmc mailing list to cayenne-ppmc * Let's see if the DB PMC is willing to sponsor (I am just the chair) before we make that part of the proposal =) Bill, are you willing to help mentor? I ask as you initially contacted us here =) We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator -- which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer more advice! -Brian On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > Brian, et all. > > We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki: > > http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal > > As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this > list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB > PMC would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment. > > Thanks > Andrus > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: >> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest >> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =) >> >> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and >> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It >> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically >> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to >> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has >> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style. >> >> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and >> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne, >> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the >> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within >> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch. >> >> -Brian >