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From Rodney Waldhoff <rwaldh...@apache.org>
Subject RE: incubation requirements for axion at apache db?
Date Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:31:40 GMT
That's basically my perspective as well, as both a DB PMC member and an
Axion developer.

If any incubation is required (and I'd think this should essentially be a
verification, I can't imagine any specific actions are changes that would
be required before the move), I'd hope this could and would be done "in
place", in other words, from tigris, rather than forcing the Axion team to
move the infrastructure around twice in quick succession.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Mahler Thomas wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As Axion has always been one of the candidates for apache db I do not see
> why they should go through an incubator process?
> We know the aims of the project. We know the existing codebase. And we know
> the developer team.
> I see no need for any incubation.
>
> >From my side as a member of the DB PMC a clear +1
> to incorporate Axion directly as a DB subproject without any intermediary
> status.
>
> cheers,
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:rwaldhoff@apache.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org; general@db.apache.org;
> > dev@axion.tigris.org
> > Subject: incubation requirements for axion at apache db?
> >
> >
> > Axion (<http://axion.tigris.org/>) is a Java-based relational database
> > engine that was among the set of "seed projects" named in the
> > proposal for
> > Apache DB (<http://db.apache.org/pmc/initial-proposal.txt>).
> >
> > The Axion team is considering moving to the Apache DB project, and
> > depending upon the source, there seem to be some conflicting
> > reports on
> > what exactly that will entail.
> >
> > The Apache DB bylaws (<http://db.apache.org/management.html>) and
> > subproject submission guidelines
> > (<http://db.apache.org/newproject.html>)
> > state that a subproject must be approved by a 3/4 majority
> > Apache DB PMC.
> > They make no mention of the Apache Incubator project, nor of
> > any specific
> > incubation process.
> >
> > (Similarly, by the way, for the Jakarta project bylaws and subproject
> > submission guidelines.)
> >
> > Pages on the Incubator site (e.g.,
> > <http://incubator.apache.org/process.html>), seem to place
> > the incubator
> > in a central role in the sub-project adoption process, although the
> > precise process to be followed is apparently neither "complete [n]or
> > completely authoritative".
> >
> > The Axion team would like to understand precisely what the incubation
> > requirements and process, if any, is necessary for a move to
> > the Apache DB
> > project.
> >
> > A draft proposal for Axion at Apache DB follows.  It includes some
> > additional background material.
> >
> > - Rod <http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/>
> >
> > --------------
> > Proposal for Creating an Axion sub-project within the Apache
> > DB Project
> >
> > (0) Rationale and Consideration of Sub-Project Criteria
> >
> > Axion is a relational database engine currently developed and released
> > under an Apache/BSD-like license.
> >
> > While it has not yet had a formal 1.0 release, Axion is not a
> > new project.
> > Axion has had three binary "milestone" releases, the first of
> > which was
> > released over a year ago (9 July 2002) [1].  The project has
> > been under
> > active development since early 2002 [2] and has shown regular
> > and diverse
> > growth in both the development and user communities.
> >
> > The Axion team has operated under meritocratic guidelines [3]
> > similar to
> > and derived from those of the ASF since its inception.
> >
> > The Axion project has strong personal ties to the Apache
> > community.  Many,
> > indeed most members of the Axion community are contributors
> > or committers
> > to one or more ASF projects, serve on one or more ASF PMCs or are ASF
> > members. [4]
> >
> > The Axion project has strong technical ties to the Apache community.
> > Axion uses several ASF libraries [5], and as a project, has
> > contributed
> > code back to those libraries where appropriate [6].  Some existing ASF
> > projects use or support Axion currently, others have
> > expressed an interest
> > in doing so (notably the Apache Directory Project).
> >
> > Similarly, many current ASF projects could advantage of a robust,
> > ASF-licensed Java database engine and there several projects
> > with which
> > Axion could collaborate on infrastructural components.
> >
> > (1) Scope
> >
> > The project will create and maintain a (primarily relational) database
> > engine and related utilities, to be distributed under an ASF-license.
> >
> > (2) Initial Source
> >
> > The initial source of the project will be the material
> > currently available
> > from <http://axion.tigris.org/>. This source is currently
> > available under
> > an ASF-style license, and the community has elected to
> > migrate to an ASF
> > license.
> >
> > (3) Apache DB Resources to be Created
> >
> > (3.1) Mailing Lists
> >
> > * axion-dev@db.apache.org
> > * axion-user@db.apache.org
> >
> > (perhaps others as needed)
> >
> > (3.2) Version Control Repository
> >
> > * cvs/db-axion on cvs.apache.org
> >
> > (3.3) Web Site
> >
> > * http://db.apache.org/axion/
> >
> > (3.4) Other
> >
> > Issue tracking (bugzilla), email archive (eyebrowse), etc. entries as
> > appropriate.
> >
> > (4) Initial Set of Committers
> >
> > The initial set of committers will the same as that of the
> > Axion project
> > at Tigris at the time of the move. See
> > <http://axion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMemberList>.
> >
> > (A) End Notes
> >
> > [1] <http://axion.tigris.org/releases/index.html>
> > [2] <http://axion.tigris.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=cvs>
> > [3] <http://axion.tigris.org/guidelines.html>
> > [4] Compare those with the "Developer" role or stronger at
> > <http://axion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectMemberList>, or the list at
> > <http://axion.tigris.org/unbranded-source/browse/*checkout*/ax
> ion/LICENSE.txt?rev=HEAD>
> with <http://www.apache.org/~jim/committers.html>
> [5] Currently Axion uses 8 external libraries when you include required
> and optional build, test and run-time dependencies. Of these, 6 are ASF
> libraries (Ant, Jakarta-Commons-Codec, Jakarta-Commons-Collections,
> Jakarta-Commons-Logging, Jakarta-Regexp, Maven).
> [6] Most notably, the org.apache.commons.collections.primitives.* package,
> which was initially developed within Axion then contributed to
> Jakarta-Commons, although there have been other less substantial
> enhancements and contributions.
> ---------------
>
>

-- 
- Rod <http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/>

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