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From: "Bayless Kirtley" <bkirt@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: Testing
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:45:28 -0600
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Yes, I was a participant in that thread. I tried a couple of times each 
sending
the requested "blank email" both with and without a subject and each was
rejected as spam. I never tried adding anything to the body. Finally I did
receive the confirmation email instructing me to click the provided link to
send confirmation back that I really wanted to subscribe. I did that and it 
was
also rejected as spam. Again I tried both with and without a subject line.
Finally, I searched around the Apache main site until I found a contact
address the suggested it would actually go to a person. I emailed it with
a description of my problem, including the link from the confirmation email.
The next day I received another email from the autoresponder that I had
successfully subscribed. The whole ordeal consumed several days and
probably consisted to close to a dozen emails.

Bayless


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mayuresh Nirhali" <Mayuresh.Nirhali@Sun.COM>
To: "Derby Discussion" <derby-user@db.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: Testing


> Hello,
>
> It seems many people are facing similar problems getting on to the 
> user-list.
>
> Follow this link for one such thread,
> http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=80302
>
> and you may follow 'Browse This Thread' for other mails in this thread.
>
>
> Regards
> Mayuresh
>
> Fernanda Pizzorno wrote:
>> Hi Kristian,
>>
>> Last week I tried to subscribe using a gmail account, and it was not as 
>> easy as you describe. When I sent the emails with no subject and no 
>> message body, I got them in return with the following message:
>>
>> [...]
>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>
>>     derby-commits-subscribe@db.apache.org 
>> <mailto:derby-commits-subscribe@db.apache.org>
>>
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 12): 552 spam score (5.5) exceeded 
>> threshold
>> [...]
>>
>> The workaround was to write something in the subject and message body.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fernanda
>>
>>
>> Kristian Waagan wrote:
>>
>>> Mirit Naim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, just so you'd know, is is even more difficult to unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mirit,
>>>
>>> Could you share some information about what made it difficult?
>>> If anyone else had problems, feel free to document them here...
>>>
>>> To get an idea of what this is all about, I decided to join the list 
>>> with another account:
>>>  1) Went to http://db.apache.org/derby/derby_mail.html for instructions 
>>> (basically just to get the mail addresses).
>>>  2) I sent an empty mail (no subject, no msg body) to 
>>> derby-user-subscribe@db.apache.org
>>>  3) Got confirmation request mail, just hit reply and then send.
>>>  4) Got final confirmation that I was subscribed.
>>>  5) Sent an empty mail to derby-user-unsubscribe@db.apache.org to 
>>> unsubscribe.
>>>  6) Got confirmation request mail regarding my wish to unsubscribe.
>>>  7) Hit reply and send.
>>>  8) Got final confirmation that I was unsubscribed.
>>>
>>> The eight steps above took at most 5 minutes (including writing this 
>>> mail). In my experience, it was pretty quick and painless.
>>>
>>> For those who had problems, which step(s) failed to complete/work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>
>>
>