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From <de...@segel.com>
Subject RE: easy way to create a DB with multiple tables exists ?
Date Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:39:36 GMT
I think for the amount of work that you have, and at your level of skill,
you may want to spend some time developing SQL by hand.


The reason I suggest this is that you will have a better understanding of
what is your database as well as the syntax behind your "point and click"

Consider that the majority of your time is spent on developing the model and
not the syntax, you're not really going to save any time.  Your comment
about "slowing you down" and spending time elsewhere is a point of concern.
Once you learn the syntax of SQL, you should be a lot more efficient. 


I would recommend that if you're looking for a good "logical DBA" tool, then
consider Erwin. The only downside is that its now being sold by CA and they
are charging somewhere north of $3,000 USD.

Before people balk at the price tag, consider what you get for the money. As
a professional DBA/developer, its really a great tool.  


I'm not running Erwin, yet, because I recently went back to running my own
shop after leaving IBM. But it is on my wish list and will be one of my
first major purchases.

But then again, I'm being called on to support IDS/DB2/Oracle/Sybase/ etc
.for various customers. So having a graphical model for documentation is a
good thing.


Just my .02 cents..


From: yeradis [mailto:yeradis@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:43 AM
To: Derby Discussion
Subject: Re: easy way to create a DB with multiple tables exists ?


thanks for your comments
that's true
i can use that tools
in fact i dont use that tools
i'm building the tables and others using pure sql
but this is a slow way
creating the tables and more with sql is more fast but the thing to do after
. a i mean convert some variables and others decrease the speed that i need

really i need to program only waht i need like procedures views funtions
packages queries and other
like i do now ,and if is visually better , with this way i go fast
only waste my development time in other things that really have the trouble

thanks again to you
and sorry by my english i'm cuban

On 3/7/06, Rhys Campbell <rhys.campbell@da-systems.co.uk> wrote: 

Just an idea.


You could build your database graphically in SQL server, script out the
database and then translate the SQL into something that Derby could
understand. I have done this in other situations but not with Derby. Not
ideal but it may remove most of the effort.


I have used tools that convert MS SQL database SQL into Oracle SQL. Maybe
there is a tool like this for Derby?


Personally I'd make the effort to learn SQL better so you can write all the
SQL yourself. I find this easier than having to adjust to various graphical







From: yeradis [mailto:yeradis@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 March 2006 12:15
To: derby-user@db.apache.org
Subject: easy way to create a DB with multiple tables exists ?


first all sorry by my english

i'm a developer who want to start using de derby core to develop my apps
but i'm a windows user/developer
that have the mania of use sql server , ms access and that tools

and i'm having trouble to adaptate me to use the rustic way to build and
maintin the derby database

there is an easy way to build an maintan a derby database???
i mean a graphical IDE like ms access

i founded iSQL that is more easy than ij but it is rustic
the workbench of ibm don't work with embedded databse

and realy i want to use derby core


and again sorry by my english


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