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From "Michael J. Segel" <mse...@segel.com>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Re: Are you happy with Derby?]
Date Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:17:32 GMT
On Thursday 27 October 2005 15:19, Daniel John Debrunner wrote:

Dan, you really need to pay more attention to what was written.

With respect to GPL I never talked about end users.
Just those who license their code under GPL.
GPL does allow a company to release the code under a different license as 

I used MySQL AB as an example. 

They license MySQL under GPL and their own license. That is what I mean by 
allowing for a dual license. GPL allows contributors options. There is more 
protection of IP under GPL than under Apache.

Getting back to Apache, under Apache, the contributor pretty much puts his 
software out in the public eye and says have at it. 

Apache is great if your goal is to take and use the IP or embed the product in 
your application for resale.

It sucks if you're a developer and want to extend an existing app with some 
new IP that has some monetary value. This is what I meant about protecting 
your IP.  

Hypothetical situation. You figure out a way to efficiently handle SQL 
Optimization that really reduces overhead. There is nothing for stopping IBM 
or Oracle to come in and steal your IP and use it in their products, once you 
put it in the public eye under Apache.

That's the kicker. 

The wild thing is that IBM was short sighted when they released Derby under 
Apache. They may have been focusing on MySQL but they really should have been 
looking at the bigger picture.

Cloudscape has the potential for being a giant killer. More so than MySQL. ;-)

> Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
> > Obviously you are talking about something else, but I'm not sure what.
> > The ASL v2 allows distribution under a different licence, I thought the
> > GPL did not (clause 2b).
> To follow up with the facts, from the FSF itself:
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#HeardOtherLicense
> <quote>
> The GNU GPL does not give users permission to attach other licenses to
> the program. But the copyright holder for a program can release it under
> several different licenses in parallel. One of them may be the GNU GPL.
> </quote>
> Thus if you obtain code under the GPL you are stuck with the GPL, unless
> of course you are the copyright holder.
> Dan.

Michael Segel
(312) 952-8175

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