Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8562A97BC for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 69416 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2012 22:35:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 69393 invoked by uid 500); 12 Mar 2012 22:35:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 69386 invoked by uid 99); 12 Mar 2012 22:35:04 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:35:04 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2000.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [140.211.11.116] (HELO hel.zones.apache.org) (140.211.11.116) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:35:01 +0000 Received: from hel.zones.apache.org (hel.zones.apache.org [140.211.11.116]) by hel.zones.apache.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221781CA1D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) From: "Mike Matrigali (Commented) (JIRA)" To: derby-dev@db.apache.org Message-ID: <1952172588.5243.1331591680206.JavaMail.tomcat@hel.zones.apache.org> In-Reply-To: <1424585030.4824.1317678574246.JavaMail.tomcat@hel.zones.apache.org> Subject: [jira] [Commented] (DERBY-5443) reduce number of times sequence updater does it work on user thread rather than nested user thread. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-JIRA-FingerPrint: 30527f35849b9dde25b450d4833f0394 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-5443?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13228006#comment-13228006 ] Mike Matrigali commented on DERBY-5443: --------------------------------------- >>Could we force user direct reads on syssequences to be dirty read isolation level? Is it even possible to figure out the difference between a user >initiated direct call and other calls? >It might be possible to push and pop the isolation level around all user-initiated queries which involve SYSSEQUENCES or other catalogs. I don't >understand the implications of changing the isolation level in the middle of a transaction. It does seem messy. I was hoping it could be more isolated and maybe there was some code already somewhere that had to special case user access to system catalogs and could special case the argument to the store openScan call rather than pushing and popping transaction isolation level. At least at the store interface level the isolation level is passed in when the table is opened so it is just an argument to the openScan call. looking for some suggestions here as it does seem hacky. > reduce number of times sequence updater does it work on user thread rather than nested user thread. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: DERBY-5443 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-5443 > Project: Derby > Issue Type: Improvement > Components: SQL > Affects Versions: 10.9.0.0 > Reporter: Mike Matrigali > Priority: Minor > Attachments: blockingDDL.sql > > > Currently the Sequence updater tries to do the system catalog update as part of the user thread, but in a nested user transaction. When this works > all is well as the nested user transaction is immediately committed and thus the throughput of all threads depending on allocating sequences is > optimized. > In order to be able to commit the nested writable transaction independently the lock manager must treat the parent and nested transactions as two > independent transactions and locks held by the parent will thus block the child. And in effect any lock that is blocked by the parent is a deadlock, > but the lock manager does not understand this relationship and thus only will timeout and not recognize the implicit deadlock. > Only 2 cases come to mind of the parent blocking the child in this manner for sequences: > 1) ddl like create done in transaction followed by inserts into the table requiring sequence update. > 2) users doing jdbc data dictionary lookups in a multistatment transaction resulting in holding locks on the system catalog rows and subsequently > doing inserts into the table requiring sequence updates. > The sequence updater currently never waits for a lock in the nested transaction and assumes any blocked lock is this parent deadlock case. It > then falls back on doing the update in tranaction and then the system catalog lock remains until the user transaction commits which could then > hold hostage all other inserts into the table. This is ok in the above 2 cases as there is not any other choice since the user transaction is already > holding the system hostage. > The problem is the case where it was not a deadlock but just another thread trying to do the sequence update. In this case the thread should > not be getting locks on the user thread. > I am not sure best way to address this project but here are some ideas: > 1) enhance lock manager to recognize the deadlock and then change to code to somehow do an immediately deadlock check for internal > nested transactions, no matter what the system default is. Then the code should go ahead and use the system wait timeout on this lock > and only fall over to using user transaction for deadlock (or maybe even throw a new "self deadlock" error that would only be possible for > internal transactions). > 2) somehow execute the internal system catalog update as part of a whole different transaction in the system. Would need a separate context. > Sort of like the background daemon threads. Then no self deadlock is possible and it could just go ahead and wait. The downside is that then > the code to "wait" for a new sequence becomes more complicated as it has to wait for an event from another thread. But seems like it could > designed with locks/synchonization blocks somehow. > 3) maybe add another lock synchronization that would only involve threads updating the sequences. So first an updater would request the > sequence updater lock (with a key specific to the table and a new type) and it could just wait on it. It should never be held by parent > transaction. Then it would still need the catalog row lock to do the update. I think with proper ordering this would insure that blocking on > the catalog row lock would only happen in the self deadlock case. > Overall this problem is less important as the size of the chunk of sequence is tuned properly for the application, and ultimately best if derby > autotuned the chunk. There is a separate jira for auto tuning: DERBY-5295 -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira