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From "Mike Matrigali (Commented) (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (DERBY-5443) reduce number of times sequence updater does it work on user thread rather than nested user thread.
Date Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:31:58 GMT

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Mike Matrigali commented on DERBY-5443:
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hi, rick just want to comment that I am looking at this - it seems too complicated at first
glance, but let me try to understand it.

As I am sure you expected I don't like just returning the private internal transaction id
up out of store.  But something like you suggest would likely
work to hide it.  We should come up with the actual interface feature being looked at rather
than start with an implementation and then define the right interface to provide it.  Something
like
provide a way to determine if current user transaction is the same as saved value of a previous
user transaction.  Define if this should only work 
for user transactions vs nested transactions, ...

At top level seems like you are defining a per column system catalog that somehow participates
less in locking than does the existing system
catalog work at ddl time, but seems like for transaction commit and abort to work properly
it would have to participate equally at create table and
drop table time, is that true?  What kind of behaviour happens to rows in this catalog at
create table time and drop table time (with respect to 
table and row locks on itself and the user transaction).   How at drop table time do you deal
with rows in the IC, explain if drop commit and/or 
drop aborts? 
                
> reduce number of times sequence updater does it work on user thread rather than nested
user thread.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: DERBY-5443
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-5443
>             Project: Derby
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: SQL
>    Affects Versions: 10.9.0.0
>            Reporter: Mike Matrigali
>            Priority: Minor
>         Attachments: blockingDDL.sql
>
>
> Currently the Sequence updater tries to do the system catalog update as part of the user
thread, but in a nested user transaction.  When this works
> all is well as the nested user transaction is immediately committed and thus the throughput
of all threads depending on allocating sequences is
> optimized.  
> In order to be able to commit the nested writable transaction independently the lock
manager must treat the parent and nested transactions as two
> independent transactions and locks held by the parent will thus block the child.  And
in effect any lock that is blocked by the parent is a deadlock,
> but the lock manager does not understand this relationship and thus only will timeout
and not recognize the implicit deadlock.
> Only 2 cases come to mind of the parent blocking the child in this manner for sequences:
> 1) ddl like create done in transaction followed by inserts into the table requiring sequence
update.
> 2) users doing jdbc data dictionary lookups in a multistatment transaction resulting
in holding locks on the system catalog rows and subsequently
>     doing inserts into the table requiring sequence updates.
> The sequence updater currently never waits for a lock in the nested transaction and assumes
any blocked lock is this parent deadlock case.  It
> then falls back on doing the update in tranaction and then the system catalog lock remains
until the user transaction commits which could then
> hold hostage all other inserts into the table.  This is ok in the above 2 cases as there
is not any other choice since the user transaction is already
> holding the system hostage.  
> The problem is the case where it was not a deadlock but just another thread trying to
do the sequence update.  In this case the thread should
> not be getting locks on the user thread.  
> I am not sure best way to address this project but here are some ideas:
> 1) enhance lock manager to recognize the deadlock and then change to code to somehow
do an immediately deadlock check for internal 
>     nested transactions, no matter what the system default is.  Then the code should
go ahead and use the system wait timeout on this lock
>     and only fall over to using user transaction for deadlock (or maybe even throw a
new "self deadlock" error that would only be possible for
>     internal transactions).
> 2) somehow execute the internal system catalog update as part of a whole different transaction
in the system.   Would need a separate context.
>     Sort of like the background daemon threads.  Then no self deadlock is possible and
it could just go ahead and wait.  The downside is that then
>     the code to "wait" for a new sequence becomes more complicated as it has to wait
for an event from another thread.  But seems like it could
>     designed with locks/synchonization blocks somehow.  
> 3) maybe add another lock synchronization that would only involve threads updating the
sequences.  So first an updater would request the
>     sequence updater lock (with a key specific to the table and a new type) and it could
just wait on it.  It should never be held by parent
>     transaction.  Then it would still need the catalog row lock to do the update.  I
think with proper ordering this would insure that blocking on
>     the catalog row lock would only happen in the self deadlock case.  
> Overall this problem is less important as the size of the chunk of sequence is tuned
properly for the application, and ultimately best if derby
> autotuned the chunk.  There is a separate jira for auto tuning: DERBY-5295

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