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From "Bryan Pendleton (Commented) (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (DERBY-866) Derby User Management Enhancements
Date Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:25:39 GMT

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Bryan Pendleton commented on DERBY-866:
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I'm having a bit of trouble following the overall threat model. My initial reaction is that
the
primary problem you're worried about here is the overall security of the Network Server, as
distinct from the security of the individual database(s) it is providing access to; is that
correct?

It seems like the secondary problem has to do with properly securing a backup of a database,
since the backup contains information that is as sensitive as the database itself. But that
seems quite separate from the topic of Network Server security, no?

I guess I feel like you're striking out into new ground, and away from the original goals
of DERBY-866,
and possibly in multiple directions at once.

Very valuable thoughts, and thanks for sharing them! I'm just having a bit of trouble following
it all.

                
> Derby User Management Enhancements
> ----------------------------------
>
>                 Key: DERBY-866
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-866
>             Project: Derby
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Services
>    Affects Versions: 10.2.1.6
>            Reporter: Francois Orsini
>         Attachments: Derby_User_Enhancement.html, Derby_User_Enhancement_v1.1.html
>
>
> Proposal to enhance Derby's Built-In DDL User Management. (See proposal spec attached
to the JIRA).
> Abstract:
> This feature aims at improving the way BUILT-IN users are managed in Derby by providing
a more intuitive and familiar DDL interface. Currently (in 10.1.2.1), Built-In users can be
defined at the system and/or database level. Users created at the system level can be defined
via JVM or/and Derby system properties in the derby.properties file. Built-in users created
at the database level are defined via a call to a Derby system procedure (SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_SET_DATABASE_PROPERTY)
which sets a database property.
> Defining a user at the system level is very convenient and practical during the development
phase (EOD) of an application - However, the user's password is not encrypted and consequently
appears in clear in the derby.properties file. Hence, for an application going into production,
whether it is embedded or not, it is preferable to create users at the database level where
the password is encrypted.
> There is no real ANSI SQL standard for managing users in SQL but by providing a more
intuitive and known interface, it will ease Built-In User management at the database level
as well as Derby's adoption.

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