Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 37062 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2007 19:12:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2007 19:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 23935 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 23914 invoked by uid 99); 14 Mar 2007 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:11:58 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of jta@bristowhill.com designates 66.75.162.133 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.75.162.133] (HELO ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com) (66.75.162.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:11:45 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cpe-24-25-218-26.san.res.rr.com [24.25.218.26]) by ms-smtp-01.socal.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EJBNFH017813 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45F848DB.7020800@bristowhill.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:11:23 -0700 From: "Jean T. Anderson" Reply-To: jta@bristowhill.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc3 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: derby-dev@db.apache.org Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-2390) DOCS - Merge Working with Derby and Getting Started Guide References: <2619105.1173800409826.JavaMail.jira@brutus> <45F844AF.30505@Sun.COM> <9f40b500703141159o44744c28m5c1aa544ae7125d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f40b500703141159o44744c28m5c1aa544ae7125d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Laura Stewart wrote: > On 3/14/07, Kim Haase wrote: > >> Good question, Dag. I think that distinction is indeed common in the >> software business, actually. We use the verb "productize" (which makes >> me shudder) to describe taking an open-source project and providing >> marketing, support, and so on. So Java DB and Cloudscape would >> ordinarily be considered products, while Derby would not. >> >> However, I notice that the term "product" occurs from time to time >> within the Derby docs -- so I'm undoubtedly being too fussy about this. >> >> Kim >> > > I agree with Kim that it is very common in software companies to refer > to what they sell as products. I think that technically, Derby is a > product, even though it is not "sold". > > Apache refers to Derby as a "project". Actually, Apache refers to Derby as a subproject of Apache DB. :-) Sorry, I couldn't resist. Do this google search: product site:www.apache.org/dev you'll find lots of references to "product". And at the top of all Apache NOTICE files there is this line: This product includes software developed by The Apache Software Foundation ... -jean > To avoid any confusion, perhaps the title should be just "Derby > Documentation" without a qualifer at all. >