Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 23080 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 17:10:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 17:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 13901 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2007 17:10:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 13867 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jan 2007 17:10:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 13854 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jan 2007 17:10:26 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:10:26 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of jta@bristowhill.com designates 66.75.162.136 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.75.162.136] (HELO ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com) (66.75.162.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:10:16 -0800 Received: from [192.168.15.53] (cpe-24-25-218-26.san.res.rr.com [24.25.218.26]) by ms-smtp-04.socal.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l0JH9rAS008801 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:09:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45B0FB61.80102@bristowhill.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:09:53 -0800 From: "Jean T. Anderson" Reply-To: jta@bristowhill.com User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc3 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: derby-dev@db.apache.org Subject: Re: Graphic Alt text (for accessibility) does not appear in Firefox (does appear in IE) - Derby-1842 References: <9f40b500701161355ne5dc865l989a999f5e782bf6@mail.gmail.com> <20070117093753.GA5254@atum01.norway.sun.com> <9f40b500701171045s406dcdf6w75e3c18d7581db78@mail.gmail.com> <45AFF05F.8010206@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <45AFF05F.8010206@Sun.COM> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Kim Haase wrote: > According to our style guide, yes, screen readers do read the alt text. > The style guide also says that alt text must be 150 characters or fewer > in length. For a description longer than 150 characters, use the > longdesc attribute of the img tag (in HTML; seems to be longdescref in > DITA); this is also read by screen readers. It sounds like testing accessibility with normal browsers might not be a sure approach. Does anyone know of any open source screen readers? -jean > Kim > > Laura Stewart wrote: > >> On 1/17/07, Bernt M. Johnsen wrote: >> >>> The HTML standard does not require a browser to show the alt text >>> unless the image cannot be rendered: >>> >>> User agents must render alternate text when they cannot support >>> images, they cannot support a certain image type or when they >>> are configured not to display images. (HTML 4.01) >>> >>> Firefox is a graphical browser and as such does not ahev to display >>> it, while w3m and lynx are text only browsers and "must" render the >>> text. >>> >> >> Are you saying that if I had a screen reader (for people unable to see >> the screen, which is why the alt text is added to the image in the >> first place) that the text would be read by the screen reader, even >> though it doesn't appear when I mouse over the text? >> >>