Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 64763 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 20:31:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 20:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 74354 invoked by uid 500); 29 Aug 2006 20:31:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 74327 invoked by uid 500); 29 Aug 2006 20:31:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 74318 invoked by uid 99); 29 Aug 2006 20:31:32 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:32 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of scotsmatrix@gmail.com designates 64.233.182.187 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.182.187] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:31 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so342038nfc for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KPxQwbTlnbcgthBRWZ1gcw0rqtaW0x9HrlPQvGIZmItUp9UlpEby5mmU8rA0OBBVQghgJoqQlp0PUdC1d5of3n8s7QmeRYgTmB6rA8zbF/FOQgmUyvTtWPANGg//NHi/9+hzNikELv5AW4bXfksu1SJlSNvrSf92KfdVcg7tXww= Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr4818107ugg; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.255.1 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f40b500608291331j37408c6eu81532229efccaaf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:31:08 -0700 From: "Laura Stewart" To: derby-dev@db.apache.org, jta@bristowhill.com Subject: Re: XML type description - possible changes? In-Reply-To: <44F49C20.7050508@bristowhill.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F3B588.4020405@apache.org> <44F476EE.5050209@gmail.com> <44F479C2.1050204@apache.org> <9f40b500608291130h625aefc6kff40bac794e55f5@mail.gmail.com> <44F49C20.7050508@bristowhill.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 8/29/06, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Laura Stewart wrote: > ... > > FYI - I would prefer to keep the phrase "data type" in the title and > > first paragraph of this file as a qualifier. In the near future (post > > 10.2) I intend to update all of the other files that describe data > > types to add this qualifier. There are many files in Derby that don't > > have qualifiers in the titles and it makes locating the correct info > > difficult for Derby users. > > I don't agree with this change. I wouldn't like to see everything > expanded -- "BLOB data type", "Date data type", etc. > > The XML data type appears in the "Data Types" chapter -- I haven't heard > any users complain that this isn't clear. But I may have missed some > posts. Could you include a link to the posts that showed the difficulty? > > thanks, > > -jean One of the benefits of using DITA is that the documentation is "componentized" into "topics". There are several benefits to this: -- Combined with the information from other products -- Alternative ways to view the information. COMBINED INFO When another products are combined with Derby, the information for those products can be combined with the information for Derby. It is important that the titles of the topics state clearly what the topic is about. When users look at a Table of Contents or Navigation Tree to find information, the qualifiers help users find the information that they want more quickly. Adding the qualifiers also helps people for whom English is not their native language. In this case, we are describing different data types and that qualifier should be applied to the title. What if there is a topic entitled XML which discusses the data type, and another topic entitled XML which describes an overview of the Extensible Markup Language, and a third topic entitled XML which describes what "well-formed" XML documents are. In this example 3 topics with the same title is confusing. And while the topics appear in different sections in a book (which might help distinguish the topics), that implied qualifer doesn't help when the information is viewed in a different way (see below). METHODS OF VIEWING INFO Another advantage of DITA is the ability to view the documentation in different ways. It can be viewed in the traditional PDF/Book format or it can be viewed in non-traditional ways, such as is categories of information or by subject matter (such as all troubleshooting info). Viewing information in categoies is often the way information is organized in Information Centers. In Info Centers, the organization of the information is often not in the sequential book format. In these situations, the implied qualifier of the chapter or section title is always present for a topic. Bottom line. Topics need to be able to stand alone. Their titles should be clear and concise and they should have links to the appropriate information. So I don' t have any links to specific Derby posts about this. I am just explaining what the trend is in technical writing and information. -- Laura Stewart