Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 89978 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 00:42:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 00:42:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73122 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2006 00:42:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 73087 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2006 00:42:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 73078 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2006 00:42:20 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:42:20 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.1.36] (HELO gmpea-pix-1.sun.com) (192.18.1.36) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:42:19 -0700 Received: from d1-emea-10.sun.com ([192.18.2.120]) by gmpea-pix-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7A0fv0J009185 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:41:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-emea-10.sun.com by d1-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J3R00C01AOVPH00@d1-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Kristian.Waagan@Sun.COM) for derby-dev@db.apache.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:41:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.159.112.188] by d1-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J3R0030KB9VEYAJ@d1-emea-10.sun.com>; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:41:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:41:54 +0200 From: Kristian Waagan Subject: Re: Beta Announcement and encouraging user testing In-reply-to: <44DA7C23.7000200@sun.com> Sender: Kristian.Waagan@Sun.COM To: derby-dev@db.apache.org Cc: kmarsdenderby@sbcglobal.net Message-id: <44DA80D2.1060809@Sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <44D7B2AB.60006@sbcglobal.net> <44DA4500.7000400@sun.com> <44DA61E5.4050708@sun.com> <54ac72d70608091539q1a89572ck2af5aaa4a726e24@mail.gmail.com> <44DA6854.7050607@sun.com> <44DA6A6F.5030509@apache.org> <44DA737E.4090909@sun.com> <44DA7748.3020909@sbcglobal.net> <54ac72d70608091718n4f9260a3yf341b9d1fa02974b@mail.gmail.com> <44DA7C23.7000200@sun.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; no-NO; rv:1.8.0.5) Gecko/20060730 Thunderbird/1.5.0.5 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N David Van Couvering wrote: > Interesting idea. I feel like I'm really missing something. If no > other changes go into the svn copy, why are we making the copy? I guess the goal is to flip the beta flag in the copy. Trunk would still be alpha as usual. This would be approach 4) Other options, where the following cons are gone: - The beta candidate says that it is alpha. - The trunk says it is beta, which may be confusing. Based on Andrews suggestion, the copy is "thrown away"/forgotten when the time comes to create the real branch. -- Kristian > > David > > Andrew McIntyre wrote: >> On 8/9/06, Kathey Marsden wrote: >>> >>> I say this is not true. We make the branch and just make that one beta >>> flag flip. >>> Everyone gets their builds setup and running but we keep working on the >>> trunk. >>> Nobody bothers with merging fixes to the branch. >>> >>> Then at whatever point we feel we need a real branch someone does one >>> biggish merge >>> with the range for all that has gone into the trunk so far and just >>> reverse merge the one change >>> for the 10.3 version bump. >> >> There's another option, too, that I just thought of. svn copy the >> trunk into tags/10.2.1.0_beta. Flip the beta flag, roll the beta >> distributions. No other changes go into this copy of the trunk. >> >> When the time comes, branch the new 10.2.1.0 branch off the trunk, and >> do any reverse merging as necessary. >> >> SVN copies are cheap, we should take advantage of that. >> >> andrew