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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue
Date Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:11:52 GMT


Andrew McIntyre wrote:
> On 6/23/06, Andreas Korneliussen <andreas.korneliussen@sun.com> wrote:
>> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
>> > On 6/23/06, Jean T. Anderson <jta@bristowhill.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Andreas Korneliussen wrote:
>> >> > Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In this case, it is Rick (the release manager) who builds the RC,
>> and
>> >> > who makes it available before JDBC4 goes GA. I guess it would be
>> up to
>> >> > him to take the legal responsibility.
>> >
>> >
>> > The RM for any Apache release is responsible for evaluating the
>> > legalities of the situation surrounding a release and do what is
>> > necessary to protect the ASF from legal action. See sections 4 and 8
>> > of the ICLA.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that it is the RM who is responsible for the
>> legalities.
>>
>> </snip>
>>
>> I responded to this part of your post, and wanted to clarify that Derby
>> does not build the RC, it is the RM who does it.
> 
> Yes, because it is the RM as an individual that ultimately builds and
> publishes the release as an official Apache release on behalf of the
> ASF.

Absolutely not.

The PMC acts on behalf of the ASF, not the RM.  The RM is just some
hapless schmoe that was out of the room getting the pizza when the
community voted on who herds the cats.


> Once it is published, though, the bits belong to the ASF, not the
> release manager or the Derby project. I'm pretty sure that's what Jean
> meant by 'Apache is ultimately responsible for the release'.
> 
>>  > Can Derby legally build an RC with the GA bits set before JDBC 4.0 is
>>  > GA? --Understanding that the RC will be readily available to anyone to
>>  > download?
>>
>> Anyone can check out the Derby source tree, and build a "derby" with the
>> GA bit set at any time. If anyone does that, it clearly does not mean
>> that Derby has gone GA with JDBC4, and that the community is held
>> legally responsible.
> 
> True. But we're not talking about just anybody. If a member of the
> Derby community does put together a release candidate (that would need
> to report itself as a GA version) and publishes it on a website for
> others to vote on, then the community could be held responsible.

For what?

geir

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