Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 79037 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2006 21:36:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2006 21:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 95292 invoked by uid 500); 30 Mar 2006 21:36:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 95211 invoked by uid 500); 30 Mar 2006 21:36:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 95191 invoked by uid 99); 30 Mar 2006 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:27 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.98.43] (HELO brmea-mail-2.sun.com) (192.18.98.43) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:26 -0800 Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k2ULa68u024748 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:36:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IWY00101MGEBG@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from David.Vancouvering@Sun.COM) for derby-dev@db.apache.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.20.235] (vpn-129-150-20-235.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.235]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IWY00LR1MO5QW@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for derby-dev@db.apache.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:04 -0800 From: "David W. Van Couvering" Subject: Re: Should we vote on it? (was Re: Discussion (in preparation for a vote) on interface stability table) In-reply-to: <442C4E76.1090504@sun.com> To: derby-dev@db.apache.org Message-id: <442C4F44.90409@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <4429C948.1050606@sun.com> <442C4E76.1090504@sun.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Just to be clear, what we'd be voting on would be not only the various definitions of interface stability but *also*, for each declared interface, the level of stability we as a community are agreeing to support. This can then guide decisions by developers and reviewers as to whether a change to a given interface can be accepted or not. David David W. Van Couvering wrote: > It's been awfully quiet out there. Are there really no other opinions > about this. One little peep from Dan and another from Kathey, and we're > done? Is this the derby-dev alias I know and love? > > I mean, maybe it's just *that* good that there is no debate, but > somehow, I wonder... > > I'll give it another 24 hours, and if there are no other comments, I'm > going to basically take the contents of these page and put them up for a > vote. If the vote passes, I'll migrate the contents of the vote to the > "main" web site so that our "contracts" around these interfaces > stabilities are more or less set in stone, as it were. > > David > > David W. Van Couvering wrote: > >> Hi, all. I would like to propose that we have a discussion, in >> preparation for (at some time in the future) a vote on the interface >> table I put together at >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/ForwardCompatibility >> >> The approach I was thinking of is: >> >> - everybody who is interested take a look at this table, and raise >> issues as needed >> >> - discussion ensues as needed >> >> - I will incrementally update the Wiki page when it seems there is a >> consensus on a particular issue >> >> Once things have somewhat stabilized (and where there is contention, >> people are starting to repeat themselves :)), I'll then I'll hold a >> vote. The vote email will contain the relevant text and the interface >> table from the Wiki page, so that we know what we're voting on and so >> that it ends up in the archives. >> >> This interface table would be for the next release of Derby (10.1.3 or >> 10.2, whichever comes first). >> >> I would like to suggest that if you want to discuss the stability >> classification of a *particular* interface, you do so with a separate, >> specific email subject line, so that those who may be interested will >> notice and participate. >> >> How does this sound? >> >> Does anyone think we need to vote on the interface taxonomy and the >> definition of an interface separate from the stability classifications >> given to each interface? >> >> David >> >> >>