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From "Kathey Marsden (JIRA)" <derby-...@db.apache.org>
Subject [jira] Commented: (DERBY-1107) For existing databases JDBC metadata queries do not get updated properly between maintenance versions.
Date Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:06:37 GMT
    [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1107?page=comments#action_12372342 ] 

Kathey Marsden commented on DERBY-1107:
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Thanks Knut for looking at this.  I have always known there were issues with this but never
understood them well enough to dive in myself and think I could fix it so bear with me while
I ask some questions about your fix and also the preexisting code.

BEFORE YOUR CHANGE.

1) There is one statement in the SYSIBM schema,  METADATA but it does not get created here.
 There is a method in DataDictionaryImple createSystemSps that creates both but that is not
called here.  It does seem to get created when a database is created via a call  DataDictionaryImpl.createSystemSps.
  Should it be created and what is  the impact of not creating it?

AFTER  YOUR CHANGE

2)  I think even if this goes into 10.1 right away,  the bug still exists when reverting to
versions earlier than the fix. This means that we would have to be careful to make sure any
changes to the metadata queries worked with the old version. For example we could not  add
a new function  call to the metadata queries that get loaded with 10.1, because then reverting
to the old version would fail because the java class would not be  there.    Maybe that is
not so bad, because it is only changes on 10.1 itself we would have to watch out for.  For
10.2 and higher it would get loaded from metadata.properties on soft upgrade.  Is that correct?




















 

1)  It seems to me that  assuming your fix went into 10.1 right away,  we still have and will
always have an issue with the metadata statements getting updated properly when you go back
to a 10.1 version prior to the fix for DERBY-1107.
This would mean that  none of the existing statements could have new stored procedure calls
added.  This is because those stored procedures could not be used when you go back to a previous
versions.  Is that correct? 









Bear with me while I 

Then the only issue we have is one that cannot be solved.  
That problem is that metadata queries will not get dropped when reverting to 10.1 releases
before 

The issue that we will always have to be careful of is that  the metadata queries that get
accessed with the metadata queries that get loaded  with 10.1 will not be able to reference
any new stored procedures, because.  Addition of 







> For existing databases JDBC metadata queries do not get updated properly  between maintenance
versions.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          Key: DERBY-1107
>          URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1107
>      Project: Derby
>         Type: Bug
>   Components: JDBC
>     Versions: 10.0.2.0, 10.0.2.1, 10.1.1.0, 10.2.0.0, 10.1.2.0, 10.1.1.1, 10.1.1.2, 10.1.2.1,
10.1.3.0, 10.1.2.2, 10.1.2.3, 10.1.2.4
>     Reporter: Kathey Marsden
>  Attachments: derby-1107-proposal1.diff
>
> The JDBC DatabaseMetaData queries are stored as stored prepared statements in the database.
  If a bug is fixed for any of the metadata calls it can require that these queries be changed.
 Currently  existing databases will not get updated properly if a bug is fixed.  Ideally the
metadata queries should match the derby version that is running.  That way we avoid situations
where the query is not compatible with the Derby version running.
> To confirm I :
> 1) created a database with 10.1.1.0
> 2) Made a  metadata change in my 10.1.2.4 client.
> 3) Connected to the 10.1.1.0 database with 10.1.2.4 and saw that there was no change
to the stored prepared statements in SYS.SYSSTATEMENTS
> I also confirmed that  a  database created with 10.1.2.4 does not get changed when reverting
to 10.1.1.0.
> Below this line is some history and reference that might be helful to someone fixing
this issue:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In discussing DERBY-970, the subject of  the metadata stored prepared statements 
> came up.
> The general questions are:
>     1) Why do we  use  stored prepared statements for metadata queries?    
>     2) What issues might there be related to upgrade/downgrade  with the 
> metadata stored prepared statements?
>     3) How do we  address potential upgrade/downgrade issues?
>         
> GENERAL HISTORY:
> - Cloudscape 5.x had stored prepared statements, a way to store precompiled 
> statements in the database.  This is no longer exposed externally.
> - Metadata stored prepared statements were a performance optimization  that 
> predated the statement cache.
> - In the past, this performance optimization has been of particular  importance 
> to gui database browsers that execute all the metadata methods on connection to 
> the database.  This would still probably be an issue with embedded even with the 
> statement cache.
> -  All stored prepared statements get recompiled on the first connection to the 
> database if the version changes.
> UPGRADE HISTORY
> - In Cloudscape 5.1,  the metadata stored prepared statements have traditionally 
> been a source of trouble for even minor version changes as queries change or 
> they refer to methods/stored procedures  that may or may not exist in the target 
> version and cannot recompile or execute.  
> -  The solution to the problem in  Cloudscape v5.1.60  was to automatically 
> always call DD_Version.dropJDBCMetadataSPSes() whenever the version changed up 
> or down in upgradeIfNeeded().
> - The workaround before this change to do this automatically was to call this 
> method manually:
> |    CALL Factory.getDatabaseOfConnection().
>         dropAllJDBCMetaDataSPSes()|
> HOW DERBY WORKS TODAY:
> -  In Derby we now only call  dropJDBCMetadataSPSes() on fullUpgrade and it has 
> been this way since contribution.
> -  I think the problems of upgrade/downgrade for metadata stored prepared 
> statements may exist in Derby.
> -   I don't know a workaround to drop the metadata stored prepared statements if 
> we need to deliver a bug fix or how the ugprade/downgrade is handled currently.
> - I seem to recall some special handling in Derby for soft upgrade for optimizer directives,
but don't know the details.
> RECENT DISCUSSIONS:
> In discussing DERBY-970, the subject of  the metadata stored prepared statements 
> came up.
> The general questions are:
>     1) Why do we  use  stored prepared statements for metadata queries?    
>     2) What issues might there be related to upgrade/downgrade  with the 
> metadata stored prepared statements?
>     3) How do we  address potential upgrade/downgrade issues?
>         
> MY QUESTIONS
> Anyone know when/why  the dropJDBCMetadataSPSes()  on all version changes was 
> removed between Cloudcape 5.1.60 and  contribution? 
> How do we deliver bug fixes for metadata queries or handle changes in the 
> metadata  queries in Derby?

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