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From "David W. Van Couvering" <David.Vancouver...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache Derby logo
Date Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:24:50 GMT
Please feel free to vote for "none of the above" if you see fit, thanks 
for catching that.

David

Brian Smith wrote:
> I am not a committer. But, I am curious about why you don't have a "No 
> Logo" option or a "Wait for more submissions" option.
> 
> Firstly, I think that they name "Derby" is a reference to racing, which 
> implies that the product is fast. This is a good association. However, 
> most entries seem to be based on that fact that "derby" *could* also 
> refer to a type of hat that most people have absolutely no knowledge of. 
> I don't see how this allusion to obscure trivia is useful to the 
> project. Besides that, there are already major, successful open-source 
> projects using hat logos (Red Hat and Fedora). Therefore, I believe that 
> the hat logos are all fundamentally unhelpful, regardless of their 
> impressive artistic merits.
> 
> Secondly, it seems like this logo idea was just conceived a very short 
> time ago. The next version of Derby won't be released for some time. I 
> don't understand why these kinds of marketing decisions cannot be 
> deferred to a time closer to the release date. Since there is no 
> pressing need for a logo, I think that it makes sense to wait for a 
> really spectacular submission, even if it doesn't happen immediately.
> 
> Thirdly, I think that you would get a much broader (and potentially 
> better) set of submissions if this was announced in forums that are 
> oriented towards graphic design. Just like I wouldn't ask the population 
> of a woodworking convention to design lingerie, I don't think it is a 
> good idea to ask a mailing list consisting almost exclusively of 
> programmers to create artwork.
> 
> Finally, I don't understand why every project needs to have a logo in 
> the first place. Out of the following databases, how many of them have a 
> logo that made enough of an impression on you that you could sketch it: 
> SQL Server, DB2, Oracle, Firebird, PostgreSQL, MySQL, HSQL? Furthermore, 
> none of the API's that I use on a regular basis have any logo worth noting.
> 
> - Brian
> 
> On 12/2/05, *David W. Van Couvering* <David.Vancouvering@sun.com 
> <mailto:David.Vancouvering@sun.com>> wrote:
> 
>     This is a vote for choosing a logo for Apache Derby.
> 
>     Rules of engagement:
> 
>     - Please vote for one and only one logo.
> 
>     - Respond to both derby-dev and derby-all and put an X to the logo of
>     your choice
> 
>     - Please vote only once.  Multiple votes by the same person will be
>     discarded.
> 
>     - The vote will follow DB project guidelines at
>     http://db.apache.org/decisions.html
>     <http://db.apache.org/decisions.html>.  Anyone can cast a vote, but only
>     committers have binding votes.
> 
>     - Only entries submitted to the JIRA item DERBY-297 will be considered.
> 
>     - The list of logos is officially frozen to those on this
>     ballot.  Logos
>     added later will not be considered in the vote.
> 
>     - If no logo has more than 50% of the votes, there will be a runoff vote
>     of the top three vote getters.
> 
>     - Voting closes at 12:00 noon Pacific Standard Time (GMT-8) on
>     Wednesday, December 7
> 
>     =========================
> 
>     Logo candidates (place an X by your choice).
> 
>     1. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12320870/DerbyLogo_Hat_option1.jpg
> 
>     2. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321016/DerbyLogo_Hat_option2.jpg
>     <http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321016/DerbyLogo_Hat_option2.jpg>
> 
>     3. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321017/DerbyLogo_Hat_option3.jpg
> 
>     4. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12320873/DerbyLogo_text.jpg
> 
>     5. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310607/andrew-derbyhat1.jpg
>     <http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310607/andrew-derbyhat1.jpg>
> 
>     6. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310608/andrew-derbyhat2.jpg
> 
>     7. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310614/andrew-derbyknight1.jpg
> 
>     8. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310615/andrew-derbyknight2.jpg
>     <http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12310615/andrew-derbyknight2.jpg>
> 
>     9. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/20155/derby4.jpg
> 
>     10. [ ] (these all belong together...)
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321022/derby_logo_only.jpg
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321023/derby_with_text.jpg
>     <http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321023/derby_with_text.jpg>
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12321055/roger_full_showcase.jpg
> 
>     11. [ ]
>     http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12320752/derbyhatlogo-lettersaligned.png
> 
> 
> 
> 

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