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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:18 +0200
From: Ole Solberg <Ole.Solberg@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: 10.1.2 Release status page
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Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> 
> 
>>Ole Solberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I now put snapshots of our nightly builds used for regression testing on
>>>http://www.multinet.no/~solberg/public/Apache/Derby/snapshots/ .
>>
>>
>>Hi, Ole,
>>
>>I think it's terrific for you to provide these. Just one caveat. After
>>attending Cliff Schmidt's session at ApacheCon on "Licensing: What Every
>>Apache Committer Should Know", I think we need to be careful about using
>>the Apache logo on websites outside Apache unless we have obtained
>>explicit permission from the ASF to do so. Cliff went to some trouble to
>>explain that while the ASL 2.0 license allows free redistribution of
>>software, the same does not hold for trademarks and logos. Usage of
>>those require explicit permission.
> 
> 
> Right, the logo's make the pages look like official ASF pages, but they
> are not. They are pages provided by Sun Microsystems (or is it Ole
> Solberg?).
> 
> Which leads me to the statement on the pages that says:
> 
> "Derby is intended to be the Java alternative to low-cost open source
> databases."
> 
> I'm troubled by that, I don't see anything in the Derby charter that
> leads to that statement, and "Derby is intended" is strange, Derby is a
> lump of Java code, I don't think it has intentions. The first statement
> you have is fine "Derby is an open source, 100% Java SQL Database",
> that's factual and in line with the charter.
> 

Cleaned up now...

> Now it may be that you or your employer has that intention for Derby,
> and that's an acceptable thing to have on such a page.
> 
>  E.g. <company> intends Derby to to be the Java alternative to low-cost
> open source databases.
> 
> [don't want to put the real name there cause it might get quoted and I
> have no idea if that would be a true statement or not].
> 
> As Jean said, it's great to have these nightly builds and tests, and we
> can link to them from the ASF Derby site, but the links need to say
> 
>    testing results kindly provided by Sun Microsystems
> 
>    nightly builds kindly provided by Sun Microsystems
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan.
> 


-- 
Ole Solberg, Database Technology Group,
Sun Microsystems, Trondheim, Norway

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