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From "Lance J. Andersen" <Lance.Ander...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Use of 3rd party libraries
Date Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:34:19 GMT
There is also an issue on windows of a classpath size.  I know i have 
been burnt by this before.

David Van Couvering wrote:

> Good points, although I am very wary of a huge long set of jars in the 
> classpath, an invitation to confusion and difficulty for our users.
> Couldn't we have a "third-party.jar" that has all the third-party 
> classes?
> Thinking about this further, there is also the issue of avoiding 
> version mismatch and jar-file-stomping when Derby is installed into a 
> larger milieu of software, and a lot of this common stuff like JMX is 
> in use by other projects?  I know how we deal with this at Sun, but 
> how is this managed in the open source world?  Or is this why you need 
> open source integrator companies?
> David
> Jeremy Boynes wrote:
>> David Van Couvering wrote:
>>> I like code reuse rather than having to write and maintain our own 
>>> work.  That's a big pull of open source is building from what others 
>>> have done.  I vote for including the libraries in derby.jar, rather 
>>> than having jar-file explosion.
>> The reuse aspect is really why I want to explore this. 
>> Re-implementing everything in Derby may be OK for simple stuff like 
>> command line parsing but will be problematic for more complex things 
>> like JMX.
>> The open community aspect should not be underestimated - a project 
>> that refuses to even consider other open source solutions will very 
>> rapidly become isolated.
>> I would not recommend bundling things inside derby.jar as that leads 
>> to classes being loaded from unexpected places (e.g. I would not 
>> expect org.apache.commons.cli.Something to come from derby.jar).
>>> One concern is making sure we include third-party stuff with 
>>> compatible licensing.  What is the process for making we don't get 
>>> into some legal tangle?
>> The ASF has strict policies on what can be used by ASF projects to 
>> ensure that the final distribution is compatible with the Apache 
>> License. This basically comes down to only being able to use other 
>> software if its license is no more restrictive than the Apache License.
>> -- 
>> Jeremy

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