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From David Van Couvering <David.Vancouver...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Use of 3rd party libraries
Date Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:29:56 GMT
Good points, although I am very wary of a huge long set of jars in the 
classpath, an invitation to confusion and difficulty for our users.

Couldn't we have a "third-party.jar" that has all the third-party classes?

Thinking about this further, there is also the issue of avoiding version 
mismatch and jar-file-stomping when Derby is installed into a larger 
milieu of software, and a lot of this common stuff like JMX is in use by 
other projects?  I know how we deal with this at Sun, but how is this 
managed in the open source world?  Or is this why you need open source 
integrator companies?


Jeremy Boynes wrote:

> David Van Couvering wrote:
>> I like code reuse rather than having to write and maintain our own 
>> work.  That's a big pull of open source is building from what others 
>> have done.  I vote for including the libraries in derby.jar, rather 
>> than having jar-file explosion.
> The reuse aspect is really why I want to explore this. Re-implementing 
> everything in Derby may be OK for simple stuff like command line parsing 
> but will be problematic for more complex things like JMX.
> The open community aspect should not be underestimated - a project that 
> refuses to even consider other open source solutions will very rapidly 
> become isolated.
> I would not recommend bundling things inside derby.jar as that leads to 
> classes being loaded from unexpected places (e.g. I would not expect 
> org.apache.commons.cli.Something to come from derby.jar).
>> One concern is making sure we include third-party stuff with 
>> compatible licensing.  What is the process for making we don't get 
>> into some legal tangle?
> The ASF has strict policies on what can be used by ASF projects to 
> ensure that the final distribution is compatible with the Apache 
> License. This basically comes down to only being able to use other 
> software if its license is no more restrictive than the Apache License.
> -- 
> Jeremy

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