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From "TomohitoNakayama" <tomon...@basil.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject Re: Question about softupgrade mode ..
Date Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:15:00 GMT

> It would be useful if you could explain your planned changes in how
> generated column information will be stored on disk.

Purpose of changing was adding information whether autoincrement was ALWAYS 

I decide to store it to COLUMNDEFAULT of SYSCOLUMNS table ,
regarding that column as definitive information of  default value of column 
including autoincrement generation.

This decide results to next 2 modification.

    Interface of DefaultInfo  was modified. New propety of 
autoIncrementAlways was enabled to be retrieved from DefaultInfo.
    Accordingly,  external format of DefaultInfoImpl was modified.

    Under influence of modification-1, DefaultInfo of column is considered 
to be exist if the column is autoincremented.

    Originally DefaultInfo seems not to exist unless the column of table was 
created with defaultOption in defaultClause of the column.
     After my changing ,
    DefaultInfo exists not only in above case
    but also in the case column of table was created with 
generatedColumnOption in defaultCaluse of the column.

    In brief, DefaultInfo always exists if  the column of table was created 
with any defaultClause.

modification-1 results changing in database.
And modification-2 results the changing of nullOrNot of DefaultInfo in the 
program .

In soft upgrade mode, we need to avoid modification-1 ,then we need to avoid 
modification-2 in soft upgrade mode too.
To avoid modification-2 , changing behavior according to softupgrade mode or 
not is unavoidable.

Why I decided this approach was that I didn't want to add additional column 
to SYSCOLUMNS table.
I thought adding attribute to DefaultIinfo have less impact than addint new 
column to SYSCOLUMNS table.

And more, considering that autoincrement generated value is one kind of 
default value ,
I thought it is better to let DefaultInfo to have information about 

Now, I came to thought changing DefaultInfo have more impact than adding 
column to SYSCOLUMNS table ....
//I wishes that DefaultInfo existed in either case of autoinrement and 
default !!!

Thinking the autoincrement is one kind of default, I think approach of 
adding attributes of autoincrement to DefaultInfo is not bad.
However , thinking impact of that modification, I think I MUST be at a loss 
correctly and find the answer for that.

If you have any opnion, please give me ...
It will help me to be at a loss correctly...

Best regards.


         Tomohito Nakayama


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel John Debrunner" <djd@debrunners.com>
To: "Derby Development" <derby-dev@db.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: Question about softupgrade mode ..

> TomohitoNakayama wrote:
>> Hello
>> I have question about softupgrade mode...
>> Is it allowed for implementation in parts such as SQL layer of engine
>> to make conditional processing according to version in order to realize
>> softupgrade mode ?
> Typically the soft-upgrade check is made to disallow new features, e.g.
> at compile time a check would be made to disallow the BY DEFAULT option
> of the GENERATED syntax, unless the database had been upgraded to 10.1.
> See the checkVersion() call in CreateAliasNode.java
> It is possible to also make the check and change the behaviour, I assume
> you mean storing the generated column information for the ALWAYS option
> in a different way in 10.1 and beyond, compared to 10.0. If you choose
> that direction then you may need to have hard-upgrade code that modifies
> the existing on-disk generated column information.
>> I'm working on DERBY-167 and,
>> rule of nullOrNot about DefaultInfo and attiriubutes of DefaultInfo
>> would be changed in this issue.
>> Because updating those information on database affects working of
>> previous version,
>> conditional processing to work correctty on previous database would be
>> unavoidable to realize softupgrade mode...
> It would be useful if you could explain your planned changes in how
> generated column information will be stored on disk.
> Dan.
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