Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 1308 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 18:34:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 18:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 59504 invoked by uid 500); 20 Mar 2005 18:34:13 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 59469 invoked by uid 500); 20 Mar 2005 18:34:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Derby Development" Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 59456 invoked by uid 99); 20 Mar 2005 18:34:12 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from exprod6og8.obsmtp.com (HELO psmtp.com) (64.18.1.128) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:34:11 -0800 Received: from source ([204.50.113.14]) by exprod6ob8.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:34:07 PST Received: from VANEXCH01.crystald.net ([10.50.145.223]) by exch-vanowa2.intl.businessobjects.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:33:57 -0800 Received: by vanexch01.crystald.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1QKPKJ63>; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:33:56 -0800 Message-ID: <351AC4D22ADDBF499AB859F2F542218B03D84DB7@vanexch07.crystald.net> From: Anthony Krinsky To: 'Derby Development' Cc: "'levitj@yahoo.com'" Subject: pdf documentation on the site Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:33:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2005 18:33:57.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[60A17AF0:01C52D7B] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Please forgive me if this is off-topic. I am an Hypersonic user and Derby newbie attempting to do a feasibility analysis for using Derby for a specific customer requirement. After spending 2 hours futzing with the DITA pdf "cookbook" on the site I gave up and solicited Jeff Levitt for the files - he kindly obliged. At the risk of upsetting DITA folks, there seems to be a principle tested here to the detriment of potential Derby adopters. Time spent building these files could be spent learning and using the product. Until DITA authoring tools are widely and freely available, and building DITA projects into PDF files which may be easily printed, is painless, I would urge the powers that be here to post the PDF files to the site. Jeff is self-deprecating about the quality of his XSL output - but I can tell you his PDFs are much better than the nothing I was printing out yesterday. IMO, posting PDF files with builds does not in any way detract from the DITA value-proposition per se. Thank you kindly, Anthony