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From Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: JDBC driver for Derby network server mode?
Date Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:25:02 GMT

On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:13 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote:

> On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Kathy Saunders wrote:
>>> Dick Applebaum wrote:
>>>> Does this mean that Apache can/will include the driver in the Derby 
>>>> distro --kind of a pita to have to go 2 places to assemble a 
>>>> runnable Derby
>>>> Dick
>>> Apache can include the driver in the Derby distrobution (I believe 
>>> there are some license requirements to do so.  If the Derby 
>>> community wants to do that,  it should be OK.    I don't know what 
>>> Apache's general policy is on inlcuding non-open source in one if 
>>> its releases.  I do know that Apache often points to other sites to 
>>> obtain free software.
>> Why don't you release a OSS version of a driver for derby, or have 
>> the community develop one...
> Do We really want another driver?

No, but we really want another license.  I'd bet we could get a driver 
written faster than IBM would take to donate to the ASF, or relicense 
under terms that the ASF would accept to keep the jar here in SVN.

> Some how, Macromedia is able to redistro a DB2 (Cloudscape/Derby) 
> driver with ColdFusion MX -- why can't Apache.org.

One is a commercial entity that's packaging the driver w/ a product, 
and the other is an OSS organization that by keeping the jar in SVN 
would be violating the terms of the IBM license, or by distributing in 
a derby release would be violating the ASFs policy of not releasing 
code that has license terms more restrictive than the Apache License.

> It would seem to be in the best interests of Apache.org, IBM and 
> potential users.

I agree.  It's up to the ASF and users to lobby IBM to do the Right 
Thing (tm)(sm)(R)


Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437

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