From derby-dev-return-357-apmail-db-derby-dev-archive=db.apache.org@db.apache.org Wed Sep 15 03:31:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 55837 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2004 03:31:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 03:31:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 79373 invoked by uid 500); 15 Sep 2004 03:31:54 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-db-derby-dev-archive@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 79345 invoked by uid 500); 15 Sep 2004 03:31:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact derby-dev-help@db.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Derby Development" Delivered-To: mailing list derby-dev@db.apache.org Received: (qmail 79334 invoked by uid 99); 15 Sep 2004 03:31:54 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [66.163.168.188] (HELO smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:31:51 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO debrunners.com) (ddebrunner@sbcglobal.net@64.170.155.60 with plain) by smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 03:31:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4147B7A5.3090703@debrunners.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:31:49 -0700 From: Daniel John Debrunner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031008 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derby Development Subject: Re: [VOTE] Change Copyright notice to ASF References: <230491EA-06B2-11D9-B459-000A95D41A40@gluecode.com> In-Reply-To: <230491EA-06B2-11D9-B459-000A95D41A40@gluecode.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.8.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCC9398ED753906C2DB967CF6" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCC9398ED753906C2DB967CF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > I don't understand - has IBM required that we keep IBM copyright on the > source? As I understand from the IBM lawyer who deals with ASF, IBM did not assign copyright to ASF of the Cloudscape/Derby code, but gave ASF a "copyright license grant". Given the current issues around open source (caused by SCO), it seems that ASF (in terms of the Derby community) should ensure that the Derby handover is handled correctly. If the "copyright licence grant" allows ASF to remove the IBM copyright, according to an ASF laywer, then it could be removed. To remove it based upon guesswork just seems wrong. If you look at section 4c) of the Apache licence 2.0, which includes a grant of copyright license, for comparision, you will see that it states that copyright notices must be retained on re-distribution. We can make progress on most of applying the ASF license by following Jalud's and Jonas's e-mails. That would leave the code with a IBM and Apache copyright. This specific issue (removing the IBM copyright) needs to be addressed one way or the other before Derby can graduate. For this specific vote, I'm still not sure if a vote is the correct approach. If we need to retain copyright notices then option 2) is the only choice. I think "retain" could only mean leave as-is, not 'keep a modified version'. It may be more a legal decision than a community one. Dan. --------------enigCC9398ED753906C2DB967CF6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBR7elIv0S4qsbfuQRAl1GAKDPELsAc8wYuOTuDCE7o5ODBpc3tQCfWxsf o8DX/995Jzj6r8tgZoKmo5I= =wukR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCC9398ED753906C2DB967CF6--