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From Rodney Waldhoff <rwaldh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Establish development model based on Apache DB guidelines
Date Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:34:23 GMT
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

> Daniel John Debrunner wrote:
>> Ken, obviously as you know I'm new to Apache voting and so I'm not
>> really understanding your post.
>> The first question is are you starting a new vote or trying to add an
>> item to the vote I started?
> neither, actually.  :-)  as podling mentor, i'm providing advice based
> on my experience.  the db project has a documented and designed disparity
> between the pmc and the committer list.  during incubation, podlings
> emulate pmc operation and become familiar with it via a 'ppmc' list.
> i am suggesting that the derby podling adopt a policy that all committers
> are automatically on the ppmc.
> i bring this up because i think the db project pages could be viewed as
> recommending that the members of the ppmc be a subset of the committer
> list.
>> The second is, are you voting on your issue only, or voting for the
>> issue I started the vote on? The URL after your vote is confusing me as
>> I would guess the appropriate URL for "my" vote would be
>> http://db.apache.org/guidelines.html.
> i am not voting; i am a mentor only, and a committer only by courtesy during
> incubation.  if/when derby graduates, i expect i will no longer be a committer,
> which is appropriate since i don't know java and certainly not a db in java.
> the podling needs to be self-defining; it's part of my function to help that
> happen.  i *don't* think it's part of my job to try to steer it by voting.
> the point i raise may not be considered directly relevant to the issue being
> voted, but i mention it because it's related.  i don't think emulating *all*
> of the db project procedures is necessarily appropriate during incubation,
> since subsetting for the ppmc could be a barrier to community building.

Agreed.  For the record, the committee-info file lists 11 members of the 
DB-PMC.  The bylaw page is outdated.  I've started a thread on pmc@db to 
correct that.

>> Sorry if these are dumb questions.
> no dumb questions.  ignorance is curable.  i only hope i have some
> appropriate medicine. :-)
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