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From John Li <>
Subject Re: WS-RM client callback property
Date Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:51:49 GMT
Hi Dennis,

This would be a great improvement. From the field there are concerns about
the fact that they want to have hard prove that the message was delivered
and they want to have their own administration of acknowledgement states.
Of course they should rely on the protocol but in most cases they would
like to have more control. To make this easier for businesses to get the
information if needed from CXF would definitely be very helpful.

With kind regards,

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Dennis Sosnoski <> wrote:

> I guess the question is whether we want to duplicate the JMX
> functionality. My thought was to keep this callback really simple, but
> still supply the essential information (basically, that the message has
> made it through to the far end) to the client. I suppose it would be easy
> enough to add another method to supply information at the start of the
> sending process, too:
> interface RMCallback {
>     void messageAccepted(String seqId, long msgNum);
>     void messageAcknowledged(String seqId, long msgNum);
> }
> This way they'd have all the information to identify the message, and if
> they want to take full control over the process they can use this
> information through the JMX interface. How does that sound to you?
> I can still supply the simple counting implementation that just lets the
> client check whether all the messages have been acknowledged yet.
>   - Dennis
> On 02/17/2014 10:14 PM, Aki Yoshida wrote:
>> Hi Dennis,
>> right. It would be useful to make some information conveniently
>> available to the calling client.
>> But we might want to provide a callback not just for getting the ack
>> status but for getting various other WS-RM information such as the
>> sequence ID, message number and even some control over the messages
>> and sequences it created?
>> Or I am not sure if we should give the sequence info back in the
>> callback and let the client use jmx to get more info and exercise
>> control over the sequence?
>> regards, aki
>> 2014-02-14 8:15 GMT+01:00 Dennis Sosnoski <>:
>>> It's important for clients using WS-RM to know when all the messages
>>> they've
>>> sent have been acknowledged, because it's not safe for them to terminate
>>> until this has been done. Right now we're able to use JMX to monitor
>>> WS-ReliableMessaging operation and see when messages are acknowledged.
>>> But
>>> this seems overly complex to me, and I'm thinking of adding a simpler
>>> callback mechanism to make it easier.
>>> The basic interface would be something like:
>>> interface AcknowledgementCallback {
>>>      void messageAcknowledged();
>>> }
>>> I could also supply an AcknowledgementCountingCallback implementation
>>> which
>>> would just count how many times it's been called, and define a waitFor(n,
>>> timeout) method on this which would wait until that many messages had
>>> been
>>> acknowledged (or until timed out). That way an instance could be set as a
>>> client property, and the user could just count how many messages they'd
>>> sent
>>> and when they're done call the waitFor() method to make sure they'd all
>>> been
>>> received before the application terminates.
>>> Any objections or better ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>>    - Dennis
>>> Dennis M. Sosnoski
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