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From Glen Mazza <>
Subject Re: Abusive/harrassing off-list emails
Date Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:10:47 GMT
Yes, warning shots prior to sending are fair.  I just don't want people 
intimidated from going public if they feel they need to.  This is an 
ASF-wide issue, not just a CXF one.


On 2/27/2011 2:52 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> Hi Glen,
> as a last resort this may be a way to go. My advice is to fire a warning
> shot before sending to the list. If someone is harrassing you off list
> then a correct way of handling this is sending him a mail that you do
> not want to communicate with him off list and that you will forward any
> future rude mail to the list. Then he can not expect that any further
> communication is private.
> What do you think?
> I do not want to judge what happened between Jeff and you as I do not
> know all the details. So I can only ask both of you to try to bring this
> back to a normal level.
> Christian
> Am 27.02.2011 08:31, schrieb Glen Mazza:
>> Folks, if Jeff Genender--or anyone else--is sending any other
>> committers hateful or harrassing emails behind-the-scenes like what I
>> got below from him on Friday, feel free to forward the email directly
>> to the cxf-dev list for all to see.  No committer has the right to be
>> harrassing other committers behind-the-scenes and insisting on
>> anonymity while doing so.
>> Further, all charges made behind-the-scenes by Jeff to another
>> committer can be taken to the dev list, *if* desired by the person
>> receiving the charge, in order to properly air out and defend himself
>> against the charge, possibly with the help of other team members.
>> Contrary to what Jeff is implying below, you are always most welcome
>> to go public on charges made privately against you if doing so helps
>> you defend yourself against the charge.  You do not need Jeff's
>> permission to go public on charges he decides to press against you
>> privately.
>> Finally, contrary to how he may arrogantly act, Jeff is a mostly
>> inactive committer on the CXF project, and has no special ranking or
>> standing on the team compared to any other CXF committer.  His ASF
>> membership does not grant him additional powers to be judging people
>> behind the scenes or to magically strip people of their
>> committership.  Do not be cowed by his threats, whether implicit or
>> direct, as I received from him below.
>> Regards,
>> Glen

Glen Mazza
Software Engineer, Talend (

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