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From Jeff Genender <jgenen...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [CONF] Apache CXF > Commercial CXF Offerings
Date Thu, 03 Feb 2011 03:28:50 GMT
-1... what is reputable?  Who decides who is "reputable"?  Am I reputable?

Apache is not about tooting your own horn.  Go back to your respective company and have them
purchase press releases and advertise on their sites.  Apache is not a locale for horn tooting.

Jeff

On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:

> Unless it is blatant lies (i.e., non-reputable companies), I say let the companies do
a little bit of advertising on the Support page, even if they contradict each other or embellish
a bit.  We want users to choose support, because it results in more hired people working on
the projects.  Let the support page be the "toot your own horn" page and instead enforce non-advertising
throughout the rest of the manual, where everything does need to be strictly factual.
> 
> Keeping a loose leash on the Support page also helps minimize strife between teams.
> 
> In Manhattan there might be 300 places to buy pizza, about 75 of which claim to be "New
York's Best Pizza!"  That's just advertising, it doesn't need to be taken seriously.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 
> On 02.02.2011 20:50, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> Someone is paying attention... cool.  :-)
>> 
>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 8:27:38 pm Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> Do we need to have these dueling claims for who employs how many
>>> committers / PMC members? Could we persuade both Talend and FUSE to
>>> just say 'committers, get your red hot committers!'
>> I'm in the process of cleaning things up a bit.   I've been chatting with
>> various people on the trademark committee as well as others and one "concern"
>> that has been expressed with some projects is project sites being used as
>> marketing vehicles for specific commercial offerings and products.     The
>> guideline I got was:
>> 
>> --------------------
>> PMCs can choose to have "these companies support our product" pages if
>> they want.  But they have to be factual, non-advertisements; should be
>> in specific places on the project's site; and must not be exclusive
>> (i.e. any other reputable company needs to be able to request to add
>> links as well).
>> --------------------
>> 
>> Step one was just to copy the information and localize it all to a specific
>> page.     Step two is the "factual, non-advertisement" part.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM,<confluence@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>> 
>>>> Page added by Daniel Kulp
>>>> 
>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>> 
>>>> Apache CXF is a widely used project. As such several companies have build
>>>> products and services around CXF. This page is dedicated to providing
>>>> descriptions of those offerings. Companies are definitely encouraged to
>>>> update this page directly or send a mail to the CXF PMC with a
>>>> description of your offerings and we can update the page. The products
>>>> and services listed on this page are provided for information use only
>>>> to our users. The CXF PMC does not endorse or recommend any of the
>>>> products or services on this page.
>>>> 
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> 
>>>> FuseSource offers enterprise subscriptions that include Enterprise
>>>> Developer and Production Support on ActiveMQ, Camel, CXF and ServiceMix
>>>> - including Training, Consulting&  Mentoring. They also employ most of
>>>> the core committers on the projects to ensure you get the best possible
>>>> answers to all your support needs and your bugs fixed fast.
>>>> 
>>>> MuleSoft
>>>> 
>>>> MuleSoft provides support for Apache CXF as a part of its Mule enterprise
>>>> subscription offering. Mule is a popular open source ESB and integration
>>>> platform, with support for SOAP web services, as well as REST, JMS, File
>>>> and over 100+ additional transports.
>>>> 
>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd
>>>> 
>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd provides training and support for CXF,
>>>> along with training and support for web services security and SOA based
>>>> on CXF.
>>>> 
>>>> Talend
>>>> 
>>>> Talend provides enterprise level services and support for Apache CXF and
>>>> their Talend Service Factory product which is a repackaging of CXF
>>>> including a full, pre-configured OSGi runtime container. Talend also has
>>>> a package of examples that demonstrate many of CXF's advanced features
>>>> including JAX-RS use cases, OSGi deployments, Security, etc... Talend
>>>> also employs the leading CXF committers that are experts in all areas of
>>>> CXF including JAX-RS, JAX-WS, WS-Security, etc... to make sure any bugs
>>>> and issues can be resolved quickly and accurately.
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Glen Mazza
> Software Engineer, Talend (http://www.talend.com)
> blog: http://www.jroller.com/gmazza
> 
> 


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