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From Christian Schneider <>
Subject Re: JMS transport strongly depends on Spring
Date Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:41:02 GMT
  Using the Spring JmsTemplate and Messagelistener really improved the 
jms transport code. I was able to remove much infrastructure code where 
we simply reinvented the wheel. So I think it was a good idea to use it 
versus doing it all from scratch.

There is one problem with these spring classes though. They bring in a 
big part of the spring stack into each module that uses them. I think it 
is the same as with Spring JdbcTemplate.
So people who do not want to use spring dependency injection still are 
forced to have the code for it in their apps. While this is only some 
jars that do not hurt that much I still understand that this is not exactly
what people would like to have.

So I think the best solution is that we ask the springsource team to 
offer the template stuff for jms and jdbc as separate jars that don´t 
need the rest of spring. I am sure this would benefit cxf as well as 
camel. I will dig into the spring code a bit to check if this is 
possible at all. I don´t know how much spring api they use in the 
template stuff.



Am 05.08.2010 08:25, schrieb Daniel Kulp:
> Just a little history on this...
> Originally, the JMS transport only used the JMS API's directly.   I think the
> version on the 2.0 branch still is that way.   You may want to look at that as
> a starting point if you need a custom version.
> Around Aug/Sept 2008, Christian did a lot of work to refactor the entire thing
> to use the Spring JMS stuff.   There were a lot of deficiencies in the JMS
> transport that were solved by doing that.   We actually talked to the JMS
> "experts" over on ActiveMQ and they all pretty much unanimously (James, Hiram,
> etc....) agreed that to do JMS correctly, you use the Spring JMS stuff.
> Never try to do good JMS without it.  Thus, it was refactored to use Spring.
> One of the JIRA's:
> If you scroll back to the Aug/Sep 2008 time frame in the email logs, there may
> be more information.  Unfortunately, my internet access/email access is almost
> non-existent this week so I cannot really dig through right now.
> Dan
> On Tuesday 03 August 2010 4:48:59 am Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
>> Hi
>> I'm looking at the issue to do with the JMS transport strongly depending on
>> Spring.
>> As it happens, JMSConfiguration implements (Spring) InitializingBean for
>> the only purpose of verifying that
>> a connectionFactory has been set.
>> This causes problems when doing non-Spring CXF deployments.
>> Generally, we should really try to keep the Spring related code in .spring
>> subpackages as it will make it simpler for CXF be integrated with other
>> similar frameworks or deployed in containers providing the optional Spring
>> support only.
>> I'm planning just remove this dependency from the JMSConfiguration so that
>> the JMS transport can be deployed without Spring with 2.2.10.
>> This is really the main property but if it's not been set for some reason
>> in the Spring case then it will be caught anyway. That said, I'll add
>> another check
>> in JMSConfiguration.getOrCreateWrappedConnectionFactory (which by the way
>> attempts to get the connectionFactory from JNDI if it's currently null) to
>> ensure it's been initialized.
>> cheers, Sergey


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