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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:23:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: WSDL2JS
From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
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The answer to your questions is "yes".

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Benson,
>
> =C2=A0 I took a look into the rt folder and did go over the cxf-utils.js =
module -
> so the generated
> client javascript code makes use of this module to send its requests to t=
he
> service - correct?
>
> I =C2=A0know that looking through the code is the best way to learn a lot=
 of this
> but this code
> is fairly large so I am not sure I will have the time to go through it
> before I need to make the
> decision to go with CXF - the only Q I have here is, before I invest the
> time going over the
> documentation, is there enough material there to help me figure out CXF? =
It
> seems that the
> web site if fairly well organized so that's encouraging.
>
> Thanks
>
> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> I would recommend wrapping/intercepting the object in cxf-utils.js
>> that sends the requests.
>>
>> There's really no substitute for reading some of this code.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So if I want to intercept the SOAP message that the client javascript
>>> will
>>> be sending out I will need
>>> to dig into the http layers? Is there anything I can do at the app laye=
r
>>> to
>>> intercept that message without
>>> disrupting/modifying the javascript?
>>>
>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the server provides the javascript, it provides the correct URL.
>>>> Which is often not port 8080.
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0To answer another question, no z/OS is not required.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One more question for whoever has a few minutes to help out -
>>>>> Let's say my client contacted the remote server using a URL in order =
to
>>>>> obtain the javascript client.
>>>>> When this script is loaded and ran on the client side browser, I am
>>>>> assuming
>>>>> that by default it uses
>>>>> HTTP to send out the SOAP message to the server right? Which port doe=
s
>>>>> it
>>>>> write to - similar to
>>>>> Axis, 8080?
>>>>>
>>>>> Demetris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =C2=A0the documentation says:
>>>>>> "It is relatively straightforward to run a CXF service in a Tomcat
>>>>>> <http://tomcat.apache.org/> container on z/OS". But the IBM OS
>>>>>> is not a requirement correct? I can run this service on any Tomcat
>>>>>> container running on any OS right?
>>>>>> I know this is an elementary Q but I wanted to make sure there are n=
ot
>>>>>> OS-specific dependencies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CXF has two things going on here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) you can ask the server to generate and deliver the javascript
>>>>>>> client.
>>>>>>> 2) you can create a 'dynamic client' that can talk to moderately
>>>>>>> complex services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, option 2 requires the entire CXF stack on the client, and =
I
>>>>>>> have no idea if J2ME has the necessary goodies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does CXF support client-side programming for Web Services? What we
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> in one of our projects
>>>>>>>> is to:
>>>>>>>> (1) host web services (or at least a Soap engine) on mobile device=
s
>>>>>>>> (primarily running J2ME CDC)
>>>>>>>> (2) build web service clients on mobile devices, either by
>>>>>>>> discovering
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> utilizing WSDLs (to generate
>>>>>>>> javascript stubs) or some other mechanism to allow them to generat=
e
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> client code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure how realistic this is at this stage but I am not finding
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> (1) and a bit on (2). Many people
>>>>>>>> have said that generating WSDLs on mobile devices is a difficult
>>>>>>>> task
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> are considering the off-the-
>>>>>>>> device mechanisms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue August 11 2009 11:26:05 pm Demetris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know if Axis 1.x can generate document/literal or only
>>>>>>>>>> rpc/encoded? I am wondering if setting
>>>>>>>>>> the OPERATION_STYLE_PROPERTY to document would do the trick.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe Axis1 can do doc/literal. =C2=A0 JAX-RPC did require so=
me
>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> support for that so I'm pretty sure Axis1 implemented it. =C2=A0 =
Not
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>> go about configuring it to do so. =C2=A0 I'm not an Axis1 user. =
=C2=A0:-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If your place has a big investment in RPC/encoded, perhaps one =
of
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> would like to pick up the project that one of our committers
>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>> of adding RPC/encoded support to CXF. If you do it, you get to
>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>>>>> that it works with your services :-). I'd be happy to mentor
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>> in figuring out where Dain left off.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --benson
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course I do see infrastructures here in production still
>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Axis
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.x without any plans on
>>>>>>>>>>>> migrating while other systems come into play with Axis 2 etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> interoperability between the
>>>>>>>>>>>> two sides is impossible - and of course the rest of us will ne=
ed
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>>>>>> in between and needing to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do our own translations - not good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, CFX is a pretty impressive project so I have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be adapting it to my
>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue August 11 2009 12:15:40 pm Demetris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I figured ;) Thanks =C2=A0for the info Benson.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now regarding inteconnection of Web Services across
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is no bridge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the old RPC/encoded and CFX, at least I am assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to handle SOAP calls across them or not? This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never tried/looked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while I worked exclusively with Axis so I was wondering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty much none of the modern SOAP toolkits support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPC/encoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =C2=A0Axis2 doesn't. =C2=A0CXF doesn't. =C2=A0Metro/JAX-WS RI=
 doesn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =C2=A0Etc....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically, rpc/encoded was such an interopability nightmare
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really fell into the bucket of "You REALLY REALLY don't want =
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it." =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you want interopability, you really need=
 to migrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the literal forms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, that message is buried in the substrate somewhere. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I agree with it :-) In practical terms, we just don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code or RPC/encoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm unaware of anything you can use to interconnect an old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Axis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPC/encoded service with CXF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Benson,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reason I mentioned JAX-WS is because a WSDL file that =
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to WSDL2JS returned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "RCP/encoded WSDLs are not supported in JAX-2.0". I had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is "neither here nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there" but I wanted to double-check - I think I know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now after reading the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corresponding documentation but I will return and send mor=
e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cannot resolve it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A separate question - is there a "bridge" between Axis WS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools and CFX? Can an Axis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WS client call a CFX-implemented WS and vice versa or not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CXF includes the ability to build Soap 1.1 Javascript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clients
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc/lit and rpc/lit services. JAX-WS is relatively neithe=
r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The code can be run in two modes. You can run the tool as=
 a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standalone, and you get Javascript that (with the utility
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplied) will run anywhere that has a compatible request
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, you can ask any CXF-implemented web service to delive=
r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascript client, and one will be returned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/CXF20DOC/javascript-clients.html?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --benson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more observation - because wsdl2js utilizes JAX-=
WS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPC/Encoded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents are not supported. Is that correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok now that I played a bit with wsdl2js I am beginning =
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you said below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So one can use the wsdlurl in order to get the server t=
o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the script
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - can you please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarify a few things since I am new to this -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. what kind of server are we talking about in this cas=
e?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The only way to generate the Javascript is through a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + URL? If I have the WSDL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my possesion how can I use this tool to generate the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The tool is part of CXF, so it requires Java 1.5. Sinc=
e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output is Javascript, I don't understand why you need =
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under J2ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, you can just use the ?js URL form from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the server to generate it on the fly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demetris<demetris@ece.neu.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =C2=A0I am interested in generating Javascript stubs =
from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WSDL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file - I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming that the WSDL2js tool is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate tool to use. Has anyone used this tool so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can ask a couple of Qs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Which Java version is the tool built on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Can I used it under J2ME-CDC to generate stubs fo=
r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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