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From Daniel Kulp <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] CXF weekly IRC chat
Date Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:43:58 GMT


On Tuesday 05 December 2006 01:18, Liu, Jervis wrote:
> As our CXF release is finally out of door (well, almost :-)), move forward
> to the next milestone, I would like to suggest a CXF weekly IRC chat. A
> weekly chat could help to grow the community and get more developers
> involved. While several community members already hang out at the IRC it
> always remains to be seen who is there at a given point in time. It will
> make our community stay focused and being more efficient by making
> decisions and discussing major issues when everybody is around. Also for
> these new developers, a weekly chat would make it easier to understand the
> status of CXF development and what tasks are most appropriate for them to
> start with.

I have no problem with an IRC chat as long as we're careful with how we use 
it.   However, one sentence above is a concern:
"It will make our community stay focused and being more efficient by making

We CANNOT make decisions on IRC.   That is NOT allowed at apache.   All 
decisions must be on the email list.  We can have discussions and stuff on 
IRC, but we need to make sure we use the IRC discussions as just starting 
points for email discussions as well.     For example: if we start discussing 
a particular topic on IRC, we would then start a thread in the email list 
with a summary of the discussion (include the log, but also make sure there 
is a nice summary of the major points).

> It is very very hard to find a time good for all, as a compromise I suggest
> we initially hold this weekly chat on Monday 10pm Beijing Time, 2pm GMT,
> 9am EST, up to one hour. Does this sound good to everyone?

I'm OK with that time.  

> Any thoughts and comments?

Personally, if we limit the chats to status type things, a time to ask 
questions from others (which we could then put on the wiki if they seem to be 
FAQ type things), etc..., then I'm OK with it.    However, if we start 
finalizing designs and settling on features and such, then that would be bad 
as that stuff NEEDS to be on the email list.

J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer
P: 781-902-8727    C: 508-380-7194

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