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From Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>
Subject Re: Summary of IRC discussions today....
Date Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:14:15 GMT

On 7 Aug 06, at 6:09 PM 7 Aug 06, Daniel Kulp wrote:

>
> We had a couple discussions (all infrastructure related, not code  
> related) on
> IRC today (#cxf @ irc.codehaus.org) today.   Since the channel  
> isn't yet
> logged, (Jason, I think that's an action item for you :-)  I've  
> included a
> log here so everyone can see.
>
> Basically, action items:
> 1) Jason will create an issues mail list for Jira issues

Done. Brett created it.

The list is opt-in so you must subscribe yourself: cxf- 
issues@incubator.apache.org

> 2) Jason will create a notifications list for build related  
> notifications
> (cruisecontrol, etc...)

Done. Brett created it.

The list is opt-in so you must subscribe yourself: cxf- 
notifications@incubator.apache.org

> 3) I'll double check to make sure all the IONA folks can get to the  
> codehaus
> IRC server.  (I think we're OK, but all the dublin folks are on  
> holiday
> today)

The web interface is always an option too.

> 4) Jason will create the JIRA project and send me some scripts to  
> help dump
> IONA's internal JIRA issues.

Jira project is created. I'll whip up the scripts for you later this  
week.

> 5) I'll get Adi to investigate if we can get a dump of the  
> ObjectWeb tracker
> and have Jason import it
> 6) The maven deployment repository discussion is still ongoing on  
> the general
> incubator list.

Henri started the discussion again and we should have this sorted out  
this week.

> 7) I sent a note asking about whether the project name needs to  
> change.
>

Fun :-)

>
> -- 
> J. Daniel Kulp
> Principal Engineer
> IONA
> P: 781-902-8727    C: 508-380-7194   F:781-902-8001
> daniel.kulp@iona.com
>
>
>
>
> [10:21:37]  You have joined channel #cxf
> [10:26:11] <dkulp> Jason?
> [10:31:10] <gnodet> dkulp, try jvanzyl, as usually people will be  
> pinged if
> you type their irc id
> [10:32:26] <dkulp> I'm mostly curious as to why the channel was  
> created hear
> instead of on freenode.   (having it here might be a problem for  
> the IONA
> folks, I'm investigating that)
> [10:32:35]  hear/here: unknown command
> [10:34:03] <gnodet> i guess we could go on freenode if there is any  
> problem
> [10:34:22] <jvanzyl> howdy
> [10:34:39] <jvanzyl> i just always set things up here
> [10:34:44] <jvanzyl> doesn't matter
> [10:34:57] <jvanzyl> it can be moved anywhere
> [10:35:08] <jvanzyl> i use codehaus for everything
> [10:35:11] <dkulp> Let me investigate to see if our IS folks are more
> ammendable to opening up another outgoing port.
> [10:35:37] <dkulp> I was also kind of wondering why #tuscany is on  
> freenode,
> but other apache things are here.   :-)
> [10:35:38] <tsztelak> dkulp: they can use access over htpp
> [10:35:47] <tsztelak> *http
> [10:35:53] <jvanzyl> or tunnel
> [10:36:05] <tsztelak> i have all ports blocked except 80
> [10:36:43] <tsztelak> so i prefer using codehaus irc ;)
> [10:37:15] <tsztelak> dkulp: http://irc.codehaus.org
> [10:37:27] <dkulp> Can you use a normal IRC client with that?
> [10:37:51] <tsztelak> Don't think so
> [10:46:53] <dkulp> jvanzyl:  two more questions....
> [10:47:35] <dkulp> 1) I know there was a "maven repository for  
> incubating
> projects" thread on the list.   Was there a resolution to that?    
> (aka:
> where/how will we publish both snapshots and milestone releases?)
> [10:48:19]  tsztelak is now known as tomeks
> [10:48:28] <dkulp> 2) Can we get a cxf-build@incubator.apache.org for
> cruisecontrol to send build results to?  (sorry, I really dislike  
> continuum)
> [10:49:29] <jvanzyl> we have notifications@ typically
> [10:49:46] <jvanzyl> you guys use what you like, i'm not easily  
> offended :-)
> [10:49:53] <dkulp> OK.   That would work.  :-)
> [10:49:58] <jvanzyl> actually, i'm generally never offended
> [10:50:08] <jvanzyl> use what works for you
> [10:50:43] <jvanzyl> probably won't be any good until kenney has a  
> run at it
> [10:50:53] <jvanzyl> actually we have two new full-time people  
> working on it
> for the 1.1. release
> [10:51:06] <jvanzyl> 1.1 will be decent but anything before that is  
> a bit
> tedious
> [10:51:23] <jvanzyl> kenney and jesse will be working on the 1.1  
> release
> [10:51:50] <dkulp> ?   Wrong tab/window?
> [10:51:54] <jvanzyl> any opinion on the issues@
> [10:51:58] <jvanzyl> no, i'm telling you about continuum
> [10:52:04] <dkulp> Oh.
> [10:52:23] <jvanzyl> i can get the notifications@ and issues@  
> created today
> [10:52:33] <dkulp> That's a good start.
> [10:52:39] <jvanzyl> and then we can setup the jira project
> [10:52:47] <jvanzyl> what issue tracker do you use at objectweb?
> [10:53:15] <dkulp> Something built into their forge software, it's  
> "not very
> good".
> [10:54:00] <jvanzyl> do you want all the issues in there?
> [10:54:07] <jvanzyl> and if so what kind of export can you get?
> [10:54:07] <dkulp> There isn't very many open issues (and those  
> that are open
> need checking to make sure that it's still an issue)
> [10:54:16] <dkulp> Thus, we'll probably migrate them by hand.
> [10:54:20] <jvanzyl> as i can swizzle anything into/out of JIRA
> [10:54:32] <jvanzyl> if you can get me an export i can probably do  
> it faster
> [10:54:56] <jvanzyl> i have a JIRA ruby gem for bashing JIRA around
> [10:55:40] <dkulp> Let me see if I can get Adi....   he would know  
> more about
> that part.
> [10:55:57] <dkulp> I can do all the SVN stuff, but the tracking  
> stuff isn't my
> forte.
> [10:56:19] <jvanzyl> sure, np
> [10:56:38] <jvanzyl> what's dan using for CI?
> [10:57:07] <dkulp> I don't think he is.
> [10:57:22] <dkulp> We have an "internal" jira with some cxf stuff  
> in it....
> [10:57:30] <dkulp> How hard would it be for me to dump that as well?
> [10:59:07] <jvanzyl> i can give you the gem and a script to pull  
> stuff out
> [10:59:17] <jvanzyl> i use the ruby stuff so that i can pull issues  
> and and
> import them
> [10:59:23] <jvanzyl> jira's dumps are crap
> [10:59:39] <jvanzyl> unless you are exporting the whole jira  
> instance and
> importing
> [10:59:52] <jvanzyl> basically it's impossible using jira to export  
> a project
> and import it
> [11:00:08] <dkulp> Lovely.
> [11:00:18] <jvanzyl> it's exports are cryptic nonsense for the most  
> part
> [11:00:32] <jvanzyl> not designed well for things like codehaus and  
> apache
> [11:00:35] <dkulp> And ruby isn't installed on the Jira server... :-(
> [11:00:41] <jvanzyl> i think we stretch the limits of jira at codehaus
> [11:00:48] <jvanzyl> doesn't need to be
> [11:00:56] <jvanzyl> it uses the soap interface
> [11:01:02] <dkulp> Ah.   Cool.
> [11:01:21] <jvanzyl> i've got some instructions so i'll clean those up
> [11:01:24] <jvanzyl> and you can try it
> [11:01:40] <jvanzyl> if you've got ruby and gem installed it's  
> pretty easy
> [11:01:48] <jvanzyl> and gem is pretty easy to install
> [11:01:51] <jvanzyl> basically like cpan
> [11:02:29] <dkulp> "emerge -pv gem"  doesn't work.   :-(
> [11:03:02] <dkulp> I'll figure that one out.
> [11:03:35] <dkulp> Does "rubygems" sound about right?
> [11:04:17] <jvanzyl> yah, it's rubygems
> [11:04:29] <jvanzyl> but i know little of gentoo
> [11:04:34] <jvanzyl> other then i can tell you're using it
> [11:04:57] <dkulp> OK.   emerging rubygems now.  :-)
> [11:05:34] <jvanzyl> let me see if there are gems for the other stuff
> [11:05:42] <jvanzyl> i usually pull all the sources down for what i  
> need
> [11:05:53] <jvanzyl> but i'll find gems for soap4r and the command  
> line parser
> i use
> [11:05:56] <jvanzyl> i'll sort it out
> [11:07:38] <dkulp> Just email me the scripts and I'll give them a  
> whirl.
> [11:12:51] <jvanzyl> right o
> [11:38:08]  dan (~dan@pool-71-115-179-176.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net)  
> has joined
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> [11:58:58]  Signoff: tomeks ("CGI:IRC")
> [12:15:09] <dkulp> jvanzyl:  you didn't answer the question about the
> incubating maven repositories....
> [12:23:38] <jvanzyl> i think we'll be able to have incubator repos
> [12:23:48] <jvanzyl> i think that's reasonable and most people  
> agree except
> noel
> [12:28:45] <dkulp> My biggest issue is about snapshots, can  
> incubators go into
> the normal apache snapshot repository?
> [12:28:53] <dkulp> (since it's not mirrored)
> [12:29:38] <dkulp> This kind of affects things today as the Yoko  
> team is
> trying to get a SNAPSHOT deployed, they're just not sure where yet.
> [12:30:21] <jvanzyl> no
> [12:30:31] <jvanzyl> nothing in the incubator can go to the  
> standard repo
> [12:30:57] <jvanzyl> it will all have to go to the incubator litter  
> box
> [12:31:25] <jvanzyl> though i don't see a problem with syncing that  
> to central
> [12:31:25] <gnodet> jvanzyl, will these incubator specific repos be  
> synced to
> ibiblio ?
> [12:31:34] <gnodet> thx
> [12:31:37] <gnodet> :)
> [12:31:39] <jvanzyl> i don't think folks want them to be though
> [12:31:54] <jvanzyl> i think we'll get an argument from noel but  
> anyone should
> be allowed to put stuff in central
> [12:32:08] <gnodet> but there is really no need for an incubator  
> repo is it is
> not synced
> [12:32:28] <gnodet> as we could also set up our own repo from the  
> web site
> [12:32:48] <jvanzyl> right, it needs to be synced to be useful
> [12:33:25] <dan> synchronization isn't apache policy
> [12:33:33] <dan> its maven policy
> [12:33:36] <dan> and anyone can sync, no?
> [12:33:42] <jvanzyl> any group should be able to sync shit
> [12:34:04] <dkulp> So, the question remains, where should Yoko be  
> deploying a
> snapshot today?
> [12:34:31] <jvanzyl> there isn't a place yet really
> [12:34:42] <jvanzyl> i'll ask henri to create the incubator repos
> [12:36:21] <dkulp> We'll need both snapshot and release repos.
> [12:36:42] <jvanzyl> yup
> [12:36:51] <jvanzyl> there should be one of each for the entire  
> incubator
> [12:38:09] <jvanzyl> i pinged henri and asked when he's going to  
> set them up
> [12:38:15] <jvanzyl> he will probably post to the incubator list
> [12:39:17]  Signoff: jvanzyl (jvanzyl)
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> [16:20:21] <jvanzyl> howdy
> [16:21:22] <jvanzyl> what's up?
> [16:21:27] <dan> hiya
> [16:21:34] <dan> just hacking some cxf code
> [16:21:46] <dan> we're having a concall in the morning about moving  
> the code
> to apache
> [16:22:04] <dan> you're welcome to dial in if you want - 11am
> [16:23:10] <jvanzyl> sure, send me the details and i'll join in
> [16:24:26] <dan> ok
> [16:25:51] <dkulp> I had another question about the name.....  ( I  
> hate to
> bring this up...)
> [16:26:12] <dan> jvanzyl: sent
> [16:26:22] <dkulp> SHortly after moving the code, we're going to  
> want to
> change all the org.objectweb/org.xfire package names to org.apache
> [16:27:03] <dkulp> I know there was some "dislike" of the project  
> name when
> the proposal was made, do we want to resolve that before the  
> package re-name?
> [16:27:24] <dan> dkulp: please email the list about it :-)
> [16:27:38] <dan> I know there are a lot of people who have thoughts  
> on the
> name issue...
> [16:27:56] <dkulp> I know, that's why I hate to bring it up.   I  
> hate being
> the bad guy.   :-)
> [16:28:11] <dan> well I'm note really in a position where I can be  
> the bad guy
> [16:28:16] <dan> so someone needs to be the bad guy
> [16:28:36] <dan> there is always hani :-P
> [16:30:21] <dkulp> Hmm... not sure if all the IONA folks are on the  
> dev list
> yet.
> [16:31:03] <dkulp> OK.  Adi says they are.  I'll trust him.
> [16:32:25] <dan> they should be
> [16:34:42] <jvanzyl> i put them on all the list
> [16:34:46] <jvanzyl> anyone who was on the propsoal
> [16:34:55] <jvanzyl> ok, now i'm really away
> [16:48:26] <dan> jvanzyl: just talked to adi, we're just going to  
> talk about
> the move on the apache mailing list
> [16:48:42] <dan> you know, the Apache Way
> [16:50:34] <dan> jvanzyl: also, adi said he just faxed in the CLAs
> [16:50:37] <dan> this afternoon
> [16:58:57] <dkulp> OK,  I tried to not be "too much of a bad guy"  
> and just
> sent a note asking if we had to change it or not.   That shoulld  
> foster some
> discussion I hope.
>

Jason van Zyl
jason@maven.org




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