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From Jordan Zimmerman <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Curator from Apache Incubator
Date Thu, 25 Jul 2013 06:11:57 GMT
I agree with Eric here. The pace in Incubator is stifling. It was my understanding that the
Incubator's purpose was to establish community and have a project learn the Apache Way. Curator
already had a thriving community before it came into the Incubator. What is was lacking was
diverse committers. Over four months we've demonstrated that we can attract new committers.
I fully expect that more committers will come on when (if) Curator is a TLP. 


On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Eric Tschetter <> wrote:

> I don't know about Jordan's full motivations, but I can say from my
> perspective it really sucked that I gave him a bunch of patches in early
> April, they didn't get applied until May because we were waiting on a
> release vote for 2.0.0, which was the exact same code as what was the most
> current, stable version on github.  Then when we decided we were ready to
> release the changes (prompted by a user wanting a fix in an artifact they
> could actually depend on), we sat there for two weeks waiting on a release
> vote from the mentors, who had to be prompted multiple times and I don't
> believe know the code or have any real understanding about whether it is
> fit for release.
> During that two weeks the code sat, it aged a bit like wine, except when we
> uncorked it, it hadn't actually changed.
> During this whole time from April, I maintained my own fork of the project
> outside of apache with artifacts deployed to my own artifactory because I
> am not willing to slow down my development cycle.
> So far, my impression of the transfer to Apache is that it is now more
> painful to actually get changes into a state where other things can depend
> on them, which seems like the opposite of what you want to increase
> adoption of a library.
> All of this is aside from the general feeling that its significantly more
> difficult to actually interact with Apache infrastructure than GitHub, but
> that won't be fixed by becoming a TLP.
> --Eric
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Luciano Resende wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jordan Zimmerman <
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>> I am quickly coming to the conclusion that it was a mistake to put
>> Curator
>>> into Apache. I was cautioned by many colleagues that I shouldn't do it
>> and
>>> I now understand why they were correct. I'm not interested in another 3
>>> months of incubation.
>>> What is the process for failing out of incubation so that Curator can
>>> continue outside of Apache?
>>> ====================
>> How do you see the project changing when it becomes a TLP ? Or, let me put
>> in another way, what issue do you have as having it as an "Incubator"
>> project for couple more months ?
>> --
>> Luciano Resende

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