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From "Finan, Sean" <Sean.Fi...@childrens.harvard.edu>
Subject RE: ctakes with icd10; 2015 versions available on sourceforge!
Date Wed, 09 Dec 2015 03:51:00 GMT
I would definitely be happy to work with you!
I've sent some questions to your personal email to prevent devlist spamming.

-----Original Message-----
From: Geise, Brandon D. [mailto:bdgeise@geisinger.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 10:36 PM
To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
Subject: RE: ctakes with icd10; 2015 versions available on sourceforge!

I'd be interested in contributing to making the dictionary tool more user friendly with a


-----Original Message-----
From: Finan, Sean [mailto:Sean.Finan@childrens.harvard.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:12 PM
To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
Subject: RE: ctakes with icd10; 2015 versions available on sourceforge!

Hi Dave,

I'm always happy to see interest in our stuff!

>Step 1
I built the tool to be able to build a dictionary using anything in the umls - snomed, icd9,
hpo, etc. so using the veterinary extension shouldn't be a problem.  You just add it to the
CtakesSources file (or create an alternate file and point to it with -src).  To answer another
of your questions, there can be zero or more sources - you saw snomedct and snomedct_us (each
valid in a different umls version).  
It also can include any semantic type, just add (or remove) the appropriate tuis in a different
data file.

>Step 2
You have it right - you copy the templates to another location and output to that location.
 Otherwise you 'lose' your templates.

>Step 3 and 4
The jar is built from source.  I need to (soon) check in updates to the source, and at the
same time I can check in a default prebuilt .jar  The lib/ directory is in the source repository.

Various people have toyed with the idea of putting the tool into a ctakes module, putting
it into an "installation package", making a gui ...  The best option (imo) is probably to
make an easy to use gui and keep a pre-built version in sandbox.  Someday, after the rainbow,
maybe I'll get a chance to do that ...


-----Original Message-----
From: David Kincaid [mailto:kincaid.dave@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:57 PM
To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
Subject: Re: ctakes with icd10; 2015 versions available on sourceforge!

Thanks, Sean! It's great that cTAKES may soon have an up to date database out of the box.
Hopefully it will cut down on the need for many to build their own DB's. Thank you much for
doing that.

Unfortunately, I still will need to build a custom one for us. I work in veterinary medicine
so I need to add in the veterinary extension for SNOMED-CT into the database.

I looked over the steps below that Brandon included and have some questions:

step 1 says to "Change /data/default/CtakesSources.txt from "SNOMEDCT" to "SNOMEDCT_US". The
file that I have has two lines in it. First line is SNOMED, second line is SNOMEDCT_US. So
this step doesn't really make sense.

step 2 should reference the two scripts as being in resource/memdbtemplate so others don't
have to search for them. Not sure what it means to move them to "location to put new UMLS
DB". Does that mean move them into a new directory where the newly created UMLS DB will get

steps 3 and 4 for running the tools reference dictionarytool.jar which doesn't exist. Does
one need to build that somehow from the source before running it? The command line also adds
"lib/*" to the classpath. Is that the lib directory inside the dictionarytool source code
or some other location?

What else would I need to do to include the SNOMED-CT Veterinary Extension along with the
snomedct and rxnorm sources?

I'll probably not have time to try this out for a while yet, but when I do I'd be happy to
write up an easy to follow tutorial for building a custom dictionary assuming I am able to
get it to work.

Has anyone considered making this tool available outside of the source code itself? Like including
it in the main cTAKES release? It seems there is demand for it.

- Dave

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Finan, Sean < Sean.Finan@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Hi Brandon, thanks for finding and forwarding the instructions!
> I have checked in two new hsqldb dictionaries, both from the 2015AB 
> version of the UMLS.  They both have codes for snomedct_us, rxnorm, 
> icd9cm and icd10pcs - as well as the usual cui, tui, preferred term mappings.
> One uses cuis filtered by snomed and rxnorm, the other adds cuis 
> filtered by icd9 and icd10.
> What this means:  Cuis that exist for a [filter source] are added to 
> the dictionary, as are all text variations from all sources that 
> contain that cui.  Both dictionaries also use the standard ctakes 
> semantic group tui filters.
> The names are ctakessnorx2015 and ctakesicd2015
> The snomed rxnorm :
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sourceforge.net_p_
> ctakesresources_code_HEAD_tree_trunk_ctakes-2Dresources-2Dsnomed-2Drwo
> rd-2Dhsqldb-2D2011ab_src_main_resources_org_apache_ctakes_dictionary_l
> ookup_fast_ctakessnorx2015_&d=BQIBaQ&c=qS4goWBT7poplM69zy_3xhKwEW14JZM
> SdioCoppxeFU&r=fs67GvlGZstTpyIisCYNYmQCP6r0bcpKGd4f7d4gTao&m=SRqwsl3Fm
> uUXq77GmVlfXn0lE0pVRkL53DNhukcaW6c&s=kWCcj3-hcqYWZXIPhsERggDLCO-5gppCR
> oS1Gav7r2A&e=
> The snomed rxnorm icd9 icd10:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sourceforge.net_p_
> ctakesresources_code_HEAD_tree_trunk_ctakes-2Dresources-2Dsnomed-2Drwo
> rd-2Dhsqldb-2D2011ab_src_main_resources_org_apache_ctakes_dictionary_l
> ookup_fast_ctakesicd2015_&d=BQIBaQ&c=qS4goWBT7poplM69zy_3xhKwEW14JZMSd
> ioCoppxeFU&r=fs67GvlGZstTpyIisCYNYmQCP6r0bcpKGd4f7d4gTao&m=SRqwsl3FmuU
> Xq77GmVlfXn0lE0pVRkL53DNhukcaW6c&s=RZ--ZQ2qvGnhm4h2Vvz1oU97qA8BG2G39Tw
> w7EdYgKA&e=
> The svn root for the whole ugly thing is:
>  svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/ctakesresources/code/trunk
> Stats:
> ctakessnorx2015
> 545,913 Terms
> 229,251 Concepts (Cuis)
> 272,987 Snomed codes
> 32,419 Rxnorm codes
> 11,321 icd9 codes
> 61 icd10 codes
> Ctakesicd2015
> 611,230 Terms
> 282,211 Concepts
> 18,626 icd9 codes
> 45,818 icd10 codes
> Snomed and Rxnorm counts are the same
> So, adding the icd filters gave us an extra ~53,000 concepts and
> ~65,000 terms.
> I would like to move this all to a better root (not
> ctakes-resources-snomed-rword-hsqldb-2011ab) but I wasn't able to 
> write directly in trunk (??) and need to get moving on to other things.
> There is help on the ctakes wiki:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_
> confluence_display_CTAKES_cTAKES-2B3.2-2B-2D-2BFast-2BDictionary-2BLoo
> kup&d=BQIBaQ&c=qS4goWBT7poplM69zy_3xhKwEW14JZMSdioCoppxeFU&r=fs67GvlGZ
> stTpyIisCYNYmQCP6r0bcpKGd4f7d4gTao&m=SRqwsl3FmuUXq77GmVlfXn0lE0pVRkL53
> DNhukcaW6c&s=98W_vAHGZ2FLEMPfrSgEHtZt-mQ3XJjF6yQYM26tqP4&e=
> Though I should probably add a few items ...
> Sean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geise, Brandon D. [mailto:bdgeise@geisinger.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:51 PM
> To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
> Subject: RE: ctakes with icd10
> Not to perpetuate the instructions again but I sent these out not long 
> ago when I was going through the process and Sean was helping me.
>         1. Change /data/default/CtakesSources.txt from "SNOMEDCT" to 
>         2. Copy ctakesumls.properties and ctakesumls.script from 
> memdbtemplate to location to put new UMLS DB
>         3. Run DictionaryCreator2
>         java -cp dictionarytool.jar;lib/*
> org.apache.ctakes.dictionarytool.DictionaryCreator2 -umls 
> "\pathToUmls\META" -atui ./data/tiny/CtakesAnatTuis.txt -db
> jdbc:hsqldb:file:pathTonewDB\snorx2015 -tbl CUI_TERMS
>         4. Run CodeMapCreator
>         java -cp dictionarytool.jar;lib/* 
> org.apache.ctakes.dictionarytool.CodeMapCreator -umls "\pathToUmls\META"
> -atui ./data/tiny/CtakesAnatTuis.txt -db
> jdbc:hsqldb:file:pathTonewDB\snorx2015 -tbl CUI_TERMS
>         5. Copy new DB files to new location and create a copy of 
> cTakesHsql.xml and update dictionary location
> Thanks,
> Brandon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Kincaid [mailto:kincaid.dave@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:47 PM
> To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ctakes with icd10
> This seems like a pretty common request and with such an old version 
> of UMLS database shipped with cTAKES it's only going to get worse.
> I've been wanting to build a dictionary using the latest UMLS release 
> (as well as a custom database), so would be happy to write up the 
> steps as I go through it. That assumes that I can dig up the instructions in the dev
> - Dave
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Finan, Sean < 
> Sean.Finan@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:
> > Hi Alaa,
> >
> > The -shortest- answer is that you'll need to run the dictionary 
> > creation tool.  There are instructions in older devlist threads.  By 
> > default the dictionary creation tool does add icd9 and icd10 tables 
> > to
> the dictionary.
> > The problem is that in Umls 2011AB those codes weren't very well 
> > populated.  The 2015AB icd# set is much more rich so those tables 
> > should be pretty good.  Then in ctakes you would look up annotations 
> > by icd9 or icd10 codes instead of by cui:
> > OntologyConceptUtil.getAnnotationsByCode( jcas, lookupWindow, 
> > icd#Code ); OntologyConceptUtil.getAnnotationsByCode( jcas, icd#Code 
> > );
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Savova, Guergana
> > [mailto:Guergana.Savova@childrens.harvard.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:17 PM
> > To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: ctakes with icd10
> >
> > Hi Alaa,
> > You need to create a resource off the terminology/ontology you want 
> > to use (in this case ICD9 or ICD10). Then run that resource with 
> > cTAKES for the fast dictionary lookup. There is cTAKES code and some 
> > documentation on how to create that resource. By default, cTAKES 
> > runs with a resource created from the English version of SNOMED CT and RxNORM.
> > Hope this helps.
> > --Guergana
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alaa al Barari [mailto:alaa.albarari@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:01 AM
> > To: dev@ctakes.apache.org
> > Subject: ctakes with icd10
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I downloaded Latest umls version, and I want to know how to make 
> > ctakes work with icd10 and icd9.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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