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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:11:10 -0400
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Subject: Re: cTAKES user interface
From: John Green <john.travis.green@gmail.com>
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This is a very good point. I can attest as a new user, these hurdles
mentioned by Andy seem paramount to broader adoption. Just by-the-by I
loved the Linux analogy Andy. At least, to a greater or lesser degree, it
survived!

JG


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:33 PM, andy mcmurry <mcmurry.andy@gmail.com>wrote:

> Ricard:
>
> Groovy idea.
> Virtual Machine could benefit from that as well.
>
> *## IMHO: These are parallel tasks that I think are higher priority than
> new features.
> *It isn't as glamorous as playing Jeopardy, but deploy issues are keeping
> users out -- if I were to guess A LOT of the potential user base looks at
> ctakes and says "wow that amazing! "
>
> then they look at how complex it will be to do their simple "Hello Ctakes"
> example and the 15 minutes of attention -- we are one walk to the soda
> machine away from being either embraced or forgotten. It really is that
> basic -- if it takes to long to get started, chances are new users -- wont.
>
> The documentation is nicely done and this is absolutely no criticism of
> that.
> In fact, I apologize for being so out of touch (was thesis writing ).
>
> It just feels like 1992 all over again and your compiling linux just to
> find out you didn't tweak your VGA card settings right, and now your stuck.
> But you still think linux rocks.
>
> 2013 is here and linux now runs out of the box.
> The OS itself has changed less in features and more in ease of use.
>
> I know its not Jeopardy but we gotta do it.
> *## I'm going to make a VM (Ubuntu 13.10) for myself and let everyone kick
> it around. **I strongly encourage the Groovy deploy targets as Richard
> suggested. *
>
> This really isn't an either | OR.
> We need to be able to have easier turn around on cTakes so we can get back
> to Jeopardy.
>
> *## Who agrees, and are there any counter proposals? *
>
>
> AndyMC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Richard Eckart de Castilho
> <rec@apache.org>wrote:
>
> > Maven allows to do marvelous things on the CLI, provided you throw in an
> > additional component: Groovy.
> >
> > We did some amazing self-contained Groovy scripts with uimaFIT and DKPro
> > Core which you might find interesting
> >
> >   http://code.google.com/p/dkpro-core-asl/wiki/DKProGroovyCookbook
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> > On 29.10.2013, at 23:09, "Miller, Timothy" <
> > Timothy.Miller@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > I think this is also an area where Maven integration was a small step
> > backwards (I greatly appreciate the steps forward it allowed). I used to
> > run stuff from the command line and in scripts more often but it's
> slightly
> > less straightforward setting up the classpath with maven -- before you
> > could put a simple java -cp lib/*.jar <class name> in a script, now I'm
> not
> > sure how to go about it using maven. I'm sure there's a way, but I am
> > afraid of falling down the maven rabbit hole.
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Chen, Pei wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >> Pan, the short answer is yes- it can be done in CLI.
> > >> The problem is that most of us who are already familiar with the nitty
> > gritty are probably doing this with some sort of custom scripts or
> solution.
> > >> Cc' the dev group to get a fresh perspective; not sure what the
> easiest
> > would be-- run the CPE via command line with default input/output
> > directories or running a Driver Main Class as part of examples.
> > >>
> > >> --Pei
> >
> >
>

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