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From Matthias Friedrich <m...@mafr.de>
Subject Re: graduation charter details
Date Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:33:43 GMT
Thank you, you almost convinced me - but I still decline :)

You're perfect for the job, just take it and let's get this project
graduated ;-)

Regards,
  Matthias

On Friday, 2013-02-01, Josh Wills wrote:
> So my reason for nominating Matthias as the PMC chair was based on two
> things. First, I felt that he deserved it and would do a better job of it
> than anyone else. Second, and I'm sure I'm going to embarrass him a little
> bit by saying this, but I feel that he represents all that is awesome about
> the ASF: someone who joins a community around code, make substantial
> contributions, and achieve a leadership position in the community through
> merit. That is the ASF at its best, and that is exactly what I wanted the
> Crunch community to become when we first took the project to the incubator.
> 
> At the end of the day, the PMC chair is largely a symbolic thing: the
> overall direction for the project is driven by the consensus of the PMC
> members. Given that it's symbolic, I think that we should choose someone
> who symbolizes the kind of community we aspire to be, and to me, that's
> Matthias. That's my argument.
> 
> Matthias, I would really like you to accept the chair. That said, if my
> argument didn't sway you and you still want to decline, I will take it, if
> only so that we can kick off the graduation resolution vote in a timely
> fashion. ;-)
> 
> J
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Josh Wills <josh.wills@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Gabriel Reid <gabriel.reid@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Matthias Friedrich <matt@mafr.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, 2013-01-31, Josh Wills wrote:
> >> > > I was planning on using the graduation charter for Apache Flex as
a
> >> > > baseline for our own vote:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://markmail.org/message/ps3rjgv76vlw4sh5
> >> > >
> >> > > My thought was to include all current committers as the initial
> >> members.
> >> >
> >> > Sounds good to me.
> >> >
> >>
> >> FWIW, this looks good to me too.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > For the VP/PMC chair role, I was going to nominate Matthias. I am
> >> firmly
> >> > of
> >> > > the opinion that he did more of the important-but-not-fun work that
> >> was
> >> > > required to turn Crunch into a real Apache project, and I felt like
> >> the
> >> > > honor of the first VP of Crunch as a TLP should go to him.
> >> > >
> >> > > With that said, Matthias, I don't want to impose any additional work
> >> on
> >> > you
> >> > > that you wouldn't be up for, so if you would like to decline, I would
> >> > > certainly understand.
> >> >
> >> > I'm flattered, thank you, but I have to decline. It's not about the time
> >> > or additional work - I'm definitely willing to help out in
> >> organizational
> >> > things like graduation or reporting duties, no matter who becomes PMC
> >> > chair. However, I think there's a candidate who's much better suited.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure how the nomination/election process works here, or if there
> >> > is one, but I'd like to nominate you, Josh. Crunch is your baby, you
> >> have
> >> > spent more time on it than anybody else - not just coding, but even more
> >> > imporantly in building a community. You are always willing to discuss
> >> > things, you stay polite even when you disagree and you make compromises
> >> > when the majority of the team wants to take a different road. That's
> >> > worth a lot, so I think you would be the perfect candidate.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Well, when Josh nominated you (Matthias) for the role, I felt that it was
> >> certainly
> >> by far the most logical decision, as it feels like you're made to do the
> >> job.
> >>
> >> However, it appears that among your many skills, you're also very good at
> >> making a case for Josh to be the PMC Chain :-)
> >>
> >
> > Seriously. That was a really nice thing to say, Matthias-- thank you. I
> > hope you all know how much I enjoy working on this stuff with you. It is
> > the part of my work life that I enjoy the most.
> >
> > I'm concerned about getting into one of those comical and cliched "you
> > take it, no you take it, no you take it" situations, and I just arrived
> > back in SF from a long week of travel. I'm going to sleep on it and see if
> > I can come up with a good counterargument. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I personally feel that either you or Josh would be great for the role, and
> >> that's
> >> based on all the points that both of you have made about why the other one
> >> would be great for the job. As far as I'm concerned, it does need to be
> >> one
> >> of
> >> the two of you, but I'm fine with either one.
> >>
> >> - Gabriel
> >>
> >
> >

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