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From Robert Samuel Newson <>
Subject Re: Login link missing in 1.5 with Window IE 8
Date Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:46:04 GMT
I’d rather focus on what Fauxton is missing, since the plan is to remove Futon as soon as
we can.

I agree that we should be responsive to users unless supporting IE 8 is a significant burden
(I’ve no idea tbh, I’m aware there’s an epoch that IE reached where supporting it wasn’t
as onerous as usual, is that 8?) but it’s still true that this a volunteer project with
very few Windows users (accessing the admin UI from Windows is much less controversial than
running our database on Windows, at least!). I don’t think the OP was *demanding* IE 8 support
as strongly as it could be read, and I think it’s clear from follow up comments that we
all know that demands are neither appropriate or effective.


On 18 Feb 2014, at 22:08, Nick North <> wrote:

> I'm glad there is a work-around. It's not great, but it's better than
> nothing.
> While Matt is right that we don't *have* to do anything, if CouchDb is to
> thrive we should take notice of user requirements. I honestly don't think
> there has been any call for IE8 support before: the Windows CouchDb
> community is not large and those of us who use it in corporate environments
> must be doing it in companies that have moved to later versions or have
> other browsers available.
> Nick
> On 18 February 2014 21:03, Jason Winshell <> wrote:
>> Nick,
>> Fauxton works. I can then switch to Futon to change passwords and create
>> new users. It looks like the problem is limited to showing a login/signup
>> link on the Futon landing page. Going to Fauxton first is a viable approach
>> for our users.
>> Thanks so much.
>> Jason
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Nick North <> wrote:
>>> Have you tried the Fauxton interface? That's experimental but might be
>>> worth a try. Go to .../_utils/fauxton/index.html and you should have an
>>> icon of a person at the bottom left of the browser which you can click on
>>> to log in. This works for me in IE11, but I don't have an IE8
>> installation
>>> to test on.
>>> On 18 February 2014 20:42, matt j. sorenson <>
>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jason Winshell <
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Jens,
>>>>> Thanks for the speedy response. I certainly appreciate the
>> low-bandwidth
>>>>> situation of the folks who generously contribute their time.
>> Nonetheless,
>>>>> IE is the browser used by government and many corporations. This is
>> not a
>>>>> matter of what browser is better than another. It's just a fact of
>> life.
>>>> I
>>>>> as a contractor, don't get to dictate the tools used in those
>>>> environments.
>>>>> IT staff, like database administrators are absolutely not going to use
>>>> curl
>>>>> (assuming it's even allowed to be installed on machines) to manage a
>>>>> database. CouchDB has to have
>>>> Got to cut you off there... open source projects don't *have* to do
>>>> anything the project's community doesn't elect to do, they don't even
>> have
>>>> to continue existing. If making bizarre urgent demands of technology is
>>>> how government contracting has conditioned you to cope with problems,
>> there
>>>> are plenty of commercial database alternatives who'd no doubt appreciate
>>>> your dollars.
>>>>> I'm curious as to what the QA process is for posting official releases.
>>>>> What is the test regression process?
>>>> Here's where you can help - earlier in the thread I alluded to just one
>> of
>>>> many possible ways that QA could be improved to alleviate cross-browser
>>>> woes, but it doesn't automagically happen. If you want to see
>> improvements,
>>>> stop waxing pathetic about /gub'ment this/ and /draconian IT that/...
>> and
>>>> instead resolve to contribute.
>>>> DISCLAIMER: All positions and opinions expressed here-in are Matt's and
>>>> Matt's alone, and may not represent the CouchDB project, it's
>> committers,
>>>> or it's sponsors.
>>>> --matt

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