Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-user-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B955910E12 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2509 invoked by uid 500); 13 Nov 2013 21:17:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-user-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 2447 invoked by uid 500); 13 Nov 2013 21:17:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 2439 invoked by uid 99); 13 Nov 2013 21:17:15 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:17:15 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of mark.deibert@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.52] (HELO mail-vb0-f52.google.com) (209.85.212.52) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:17:09 +0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so759394vbg.11 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mFS5GoLVFr9K4qfNqupN4WTkfwxoj7noWBUVf90kr3E=; b=MqlCJNIvgKSFOyBbdmgkJxCAiJlzYzPDtMgBde7WN6f368SvG6WhDGUe7Gu1f0hd4M IRMQH8+O76usN3+05zooEsk9ngMhSYvctaV5mGknfG5wUb9GOpRDMSxCWGOOhvpADXTW WKqm6/pBrKKXeUt0w5LOcHvfhLOxie2KB0lQJw/xjQAT2AyXzo+8uBoO/resx+taqc5i D4efZxxiFT0HY4BUsTkc8Juj/w72auanYtvxw5c6yRM/jbdtcBA099xIlVYGRTL+bAbt ZJJmoDUMaaC9jVbShJ7WfBXYLxGZq5TUGUx9xBT1BcD/QkpHZDUxKefh/HzNx8K502Lh CM/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.113.194 with SMTP id ja2mr206130vdb.61.1384377408359; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.67.4 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <82BF83FD1EA247B88F1F29E01AF0963A@cloudant.com> <52829851.3030609@meetinghouse.net> <991F57DD-7363-46A9-86C3-EB394F48F966@couchbase.com> <3C8B45EC-C579-40E7-93D5-03434954FFB6@programmazione.it> <2C18D97A-2BB9-47D5-B46A-FD5FC16F9FFF@programmazione.it> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Seeking for professional training help with CouchDB From: Mark Deibert To: "user@couchdb.apache.org" , andy@nms.de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5485e02a9178e04eb157b3b X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --bcaec5485e02a9178e04eb157b3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @Andy: Thank you, thank you, thank you very much for that book! It _really_ helped get me going in CouchDB. I particularly like the code illustrations with the hand written notes overlaid. Very cool :-) On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > On 13 November 2013 18:14, Filippo Fadda >wrote: > > > Of course, it's an useful resource, like almost all the other books on > the > > subject are. And it's free, that's a great thing. But I agree with Jens= , > > there is not an awesome book out there, and I think the main reason is > that > > writing a book nowadays doesn't repay the author for the effort needed. > > Today you can't live writing technical books, in the past many authors > did, > > so the general books quality is getting lower and you can find a lot of > 30 > > pages books that are not books at all, they just cover badly a subject. > > > > The only reason me an Till wrote the book was because we love CouchDB and > wanted to help people getting starting with it ;-) I totally agree with y= ou > on the fact why the quality of textbooks decreased. > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > > > > > I don't want to start a discussion here. Just wanna drop a side note: > > > > > > Please don't forget when this book was written and where CouchDB was = at > > > this time. At least the original version was one of the first written > > > documentation available. To understand the basics about CouchDB, I > think > > it > > > is definitely a good choice. > > > > > > Writing a good book is extremely hard and very time consuming (I > > > experienced it twice). So even when it sound harsh what Jens said, I > can > > > imagine, that a lot of people think like that. But also don't forget > for > > > whom these books are written. Newbies or intermediate users - not > > "expert" > > > users or core developers ;-) > > > > > > To come back to the original post, yeah the question was not about a > book > > > ;-) > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > On 13 November 2013 16:54, Filippo Fadda < > > filippo.fadda@programmazione.it>wrote: > > > > > >> +1 > > >> > > >> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > > >>> (Also, I have to say I=92m unsatisfied with that book. It skips aro= und > a > > >> lot, is often unclear, and spends a lot of time on examples as oppos= ed > > to > > >> principles. That said, I haven=92t seen any really good books about > > CouchDB.) > > >>> > > >>> =97Jens > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Wenk > > > Hamburg - Germany > > > RockIt! > > > > > > http://www.couchdb-buch.de > > > http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de > > > > > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > > > > > > > -- > Andy Wenk > Hamburg - Germany > RockIt! > > http://www.couchdb-buch.de > http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > --bcaec5485e02a9178e04eb157b3b--