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From Mikeal Rogers <>
Subject Re: CouchDB Crash report db_not_found when attempting to replicate databases
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:10:43 GMT
HAHA! I already forgot that we did this.


On Sep 14, 2011, at September 14, 201112:51 PM, Randall Leeds wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:19, Adam Kocoloski <>wrote:
>> There's a multipart API which allows for a single PUT request containing
>> the document body as JSON and all its attachments in their raw form.
>> Documentation is pretty thin at the moment, and unfortunately I think it
>> doesn't quite allow for a pipe(). Would be really nice if it did, though.
> It does. We figured it out together a couple weeks ago and that's when this
> code came into being.
> Requesting a _specific_ revision with ?revs=true will give you a
> multipart/related response suitable for passing straight into a
> ?new_edits=false&rev= PUT.
> See
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>>> npm is mostly attachments and I haven't seen any issues so far.
>>> I wish there was a better way to replicate attachments atomically for a
>> single revision but if there is, I don't know about it.
>>> It's probably a huge JSON operation and it sucks, but I don't have to
>> parse it in node.js, I just pipe() the body right along.
>>> -Mikeal
>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at September 14, 20118:42 AM, Adam Kocoloski wrote:
>>>> Hi Mikeal, I just took a quick peek at your code. It looks like you
>> handle attachments by inlining all of them into the JSON representation of
>> the document. Does that ever cause problems when dealing with the ~100 MB
>> attachments in the npm repo?
>>>> I've certainly seen my fair share of problems with attachment
>> replication in CouchDB 1.0.x. I have a sneaking suspicion that there are
>> latent bugs related to incorrect determinations of Content-Length under
>> various compression scenarios.
>>>> Adam
>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>>>>> My replicator is fairly young so I think calling it "reliable" might
>> be a little misleading.
>>>>> It does less, I don't ever attempt to cache the high watermark (last
>> seq written) and start over from there. If the process crashes just start
>> over from scratch. This can lead to a delay after restart but I find that
>> it's much simpler and more reliable on failure.
>>>>> It's also simpler because it doesn't have to content with being an
>> http client and a client of the internal couchdb erlang API. It just proxies
>> requests from one couch to another.
>>>>> While I'm sure there are bugs that I haven't found yet in it, I can
>> say that it replicates the npm repository quite well and I'm using it in
>> production.
>>>>> -Mikeal
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2011, at September 13, 201111:44 AM, Max Ogden wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>> From what I understand the current state of the replicator (as of
>> 1.1) is
>>>>>> that for certain types of collections of documents it can be
>> somewhat
>>>>>> fragile. In the case of the node.js package repository,
>>>>>> there are many relatively large (~100MB) documents that would
>> sometimes
>>>>>> throw errors or timeout during replication and crash the
>> replicator, at
>>>>>> which point the replicator would restart and attempt to pick up
>> where it
>>>>>> left off. I am not an expert in the internals of the replicator but
>>>>>> apparently the cumulative time required for the replicator to
>> repeatedly
>>>>>> crash and then subsequently relocate itself in _changes feed in the
>> case of
>>>>>> replicating the node package manager was making the built in couch
>>>>>> replicator unusable for the task.
>>>>>> Two solutions exist that I know of. There is a new replicator in
>> trunk (not
>>>>>> to be confused with the _replicator db from 1.1 -- it is still
>> using the old
>>>>>> replicator algorithms) and there is also a more reliable replicator
>> written
>>>>>> in node.js that was was
>> written
>>>>>> specifically to replicate the node package repository between
>> hosting
>>>>>> providers.
>>>>>> Additionally it may be useful if you could describe the
>> 'fingerprint' of
>>>>>> your documents a bit. How many documents are in the failing
>> databases? are
>>>>>> the documents large or small? do they have many attachments? how
>> large is
>>>>>> your _changes feed?
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chris Stockton
>>>>>> < (
>> )>wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> We now have about 150 dbs that are refusing to replicate with
>> random
>>>>>>> crashes, which provide really zero debug information. The error
>> is db
>>>>>>> not found, but I know its available. Does anyone know how can
>>>>>>> trouble shoot this? Do we just have to many databases replicating
>> for
>>>>>>> couchdb to handle? 4000 is a small number for the massive
>> hardware
>>>>>>> these are running on.
>>>>>>> -Chris

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