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From Chris Anderson <>
Subject Re: Modeling question
Date Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:52:46 GMT
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Joscha Feth <> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> On 05.01.10 19:32, Chris Anderson wrote:
>> If you store the full path (A, B) on the Cs as well, then you can collate
>> like:
>> A,
>> A, B
>> A, B, C
>> A, B2
>> A, B2, C
>> A, B2, C2
>> etc.
>> If you are paginating through large directories, then you'll want to
>> store the parent metadata in client state, so you don't have to reload
>> it for each page.
> I don't see how that can help when a user requests a C without knowing that
> it is a C and has a parent B and A. I still need to either allow access or
> deny it. I don't see how something like this is possible with CouchDB out of
> the box, as I don't have the ability to make another request.

This is why modeling as a key/value store will be simpler. If you
store the permissions on C itself, A and B become irrelevant.

>> Without knowing more about the actual requirements, I can't argue this
>> point, but I've seen my share of cases that were simplified greatly by
>> moving to a key-value model. For instance, S3 has a per-bucket
>> security model, which is very similar to CouchDB's planned
>> per-database read control model.
>> If you use a database-per-user (or group), quota calculations will
>> become much easier (and more realistic, as they account for actual
>> disk space used, not just total stored file size). You also get a
>> bunch of other simplifications (like the ability to replicate data
>> independently, also you don't have to worry so much about fine-grained
>> access control.) CouchDB can handle millions of databases on a single
>> node.
> I can not use a database per user or group, as both are completely dynamic
> (e.g. a user may gain or loose access on some documents any time). But I
> could use a separate database for any A (and storing all B's and C's within
> it) - would that help? I can't see how currently...
> regards,
> Joscha

Chris Anderson

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