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From Zachary Zolton <>
Subject Re: Futon Improvements
Date Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:15:18 GMT
Please move discussion of the appropriateness of using jQuery to
another thread. Here we should be discussing features and improvements
to Futon.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Noah Slater<> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:04:25AM +1000, cinnebar wrote:
>> > I don't believe CouchDB depends on jQuery.
>> > In any case CouchDB by itself does not depend on jQuery.
>> Perhaps I didnt explain my point well.  I mentioned jquery dependency in the
>> context of 'Futon improvements'.  Futon is the 'in box' app for accessing
>> CouchDB in browser and is dependent on jquery.
> So what?
>> Beyond this we think that the effect of better documenting at least the js
>> included with CouchDB on installation would be greatly increased usability of
>> CouchDB. We do not have this opinion because we are stupid or because we do
>> not understand the code.
> How would this objectively improve usability?
>> I myself would welcome the demonstration of an alternative version of Futon
>> from either of you that does not require jquery and is as good as or more
>> full featured than the Futon that we have .
> Why on earth does it matter what JavaScript libraries Futon uses?
>> At the moment the feature set of Futon is far from useful for the level of
>> dev that we are already at.
> Patches welcome then.
>> I mentioned CouchApp only in passing and i realise its dependencies are not
>> really relevant to this discussion but it does seem odd to me that the demo
>> 'standalone couchapp' in couchdb documentation is 'out of the box' dependent
>> on a python module.
> How else would you do it? Bash scripts and curl statements?
> If you're going to be working with CouchDB, you need to do HTTP, and if you're
> going to do that in a way that doesn't involve using telnet, you need to use a
> library, so that means a language. I'd love to see your other suggestion.
>> At the same time personally i like using py and i like
>> using js so calling the CouchApp py module a 'third party tool' in the
>> context doesnt seem to make too much sense.
> The whole of CouchApp is third party.
>> ...development of CouchDB will also be aided if this user mailing list
>> involved a higher % of informed discussion and lower % 'o crap i cant it to
>> work'
> Development of CouchDB or development with CouchDB?
> And what makes you think that your particular needs are more important?
> Thanks,
> --
> Noah Slater,

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