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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <>
Subject Re: Decision making process (Re: Changing rev to _rev in view results (Was: Re: newbie question #1))
Date Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:16:39 GMT

On Jan 2, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Antony Blakey wrote:

> On 02/01/2009, at 11:07 PM, Chris Anderson wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <>  
>> wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Antony Blakey wrote:
>>>> It's never been clear to me that there is a process for voting -  
>>>> the
>>>> decision making process within the commit group seems opaque.
>>> How can that be?  I assume that all decisions are made in public  
>>> on the dev@
>>> mailing list.
>> The committers have a history of deferring to Damien (especially on
>> deeply technical matters like the document identity model). It's fair
>> to say that most of what we do is bug fixes and the like. When we  
>> have
>> a new feature or module under development, we like to run the code by
>> Damien before we commit it. He understands CouchDB inside and out,  
>> and
>> he's pretty good at seeing how an API detail or caching property will
>> effect the big picture of how people use CouchDB.
> That would confirm my presumption that it's probably a waste of time  
> pushing something that Damien's firmly against, as opposed to  
> expecting to vote on it.

That would be the case of any committer - anyone can veto a code  
change, including one by Damien  (Technically it's a PMC member, but  
some communities include all committers in this, which IMO is a good  

However, the fact that people defer to Damien is perfectly  
reasonable.  (But remember the goal of an ASF community - you want to  
make it strong enough that the original founders/motivators can step  

>> There have been votes on the dev list before, but they are rare
>> because we so often move with consensus.
> I'm merely curious bout this, but now that Couch is formally an  
> Apache project, is there some Apace mandated consensus-driven  
> decision making approach, or do they accept whatever model comes in  
> - I'm wondering if the ASF brand might 'mean' something in that  
> sense. And I've just noticed that Geir is on the ASF board - he  
> should know if anyone does!

I'm not here as anything but an interested user that knows something  
about the ASF, and I see in a followup that you found something on the  
website :)  All is well.


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