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( [203.158.60.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n22sm891856pof.3.2008.08.14.23.11.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1504E5A9-A273-4BBD-BA4F-7529CA4C66D1@gmail.com> From: Sho Fukamachi To: couchdb-user@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <64a10fff0808142121m27c1d298u10be951163e8b583@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--44658083; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: Re: windows build? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:11:50 +1000 References: <7bb4670a0807311953k78c2eaedu15aa13952af7b42@mail.gmail.com> <5871b9da0808010846m7a7ac9bmec4abd040bac2d17@mail.gmail.com> <4aa4f4d60808010927k39a59342jdedca50fe846d84d@mail.gmail.com> <7bb4670a0808011406h4d40f75bo6e3d34e79d88b957@mail.gmail.com> <4aa4f4d60808011418q4916d385x572bcf09232abf89@mail.gmail.com> <888cd9180808020433g50af734o551ad20970a895d2@mail.gmail.com> <41fe564f0808130253p6557efa3uf8a7a40e4b58936f@mail.gmail.com> <41fe564f0808141153p3e086c7bqc1561456a43b11db@mail.gmail.com> <64a10fff0808142121m27c1d298u10be951163e8b583@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-13--44658083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 15/08/2008, at 2:21 PM, Dean Landolt wrote: > > Speaking as a developer that can't get a *nix box stood up at my > company if > my life (or project) depended on it, I'd say the population is > certainly > greater than zero. Of course, as an Ubuntu user and all around FOSS- > lover, > I'm not for lack of a couch sandbox -- but as far as developing > something > for the 9-5, couch is totally off limits without a windows build. I stand corrected. I won't bother asking why open source application software is apparently A-OK but an OS is verboten .. think I can guess the answer : ( > That said, I totally agree with the below sentiment. Couch is still > in alpha > -- as long as nothing's done to permanently preclude a multi- > platform build > down the road, there's not much sense in gumming up the works during > heavy > development. Sure, couch is *server* software, but as we move on > down the > road to a more distributed net, localhost will likely be the server of > choice for more than a few -- look at what ajatus is doing without > even a > whiff of a server-side. Once a 1.0 hits, with a Windows build Couch > will be > one hell of an embed option for desktop developers. > > >> >> >> I was more referring to the next phase, when somebody would actually >>> decide to use CouchDB. >>> In that case i would try to rely on software stacks in their >>> 'native' >>> habitat. But that's just my preference. >>> >> >> Geeze, I can *kind of* understand someone wanting to use Windows for >> development if they absolutely have to have DreamWeaver or >> something, but on >> a server?! Of course you are right that people should run server >> software, >> on servers, in their "native" environment. One doesn't use WINE to >> run IIS >> on Linux, one should not use cygwin or whatever to run Erlang/ >> CouchDB on >> Windows. >> >> If you couldn't escape Windows on the server for some unbelievably >> good >> reason (like the aliens are threatening to blow up the world if you >> don't), >> then it would probably be easier/preferable to run it in Linux >> under VMWare >> anyway. --Apple-Mail-13--44658083 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGLzCCAugw ggJRoAMCAQICEBSIX9MtV1ZEa0RApBcv2rAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MTExODIzMTczNloXDTA4MTExNzIzMTcz NlowSTEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEmMCQGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYXc2hv LmZ1a2FtYWNoaUBnbWFpbC5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC4VztI LAmaS1WLCldsyC8eTG9bLMGvYEwRoJXYnyqJZPXMhQHdzAbw3VTtiqZB8qaWs2QbU/UuioP0zL0N NAdCVHOORhGq59/u7obOxZOkR94yRllz5ofwpbOfTpC2u0Q6sms9ViukqumPuix2XTs3coe2VPAX lPFzyQlNOXRD0K7JLUxff3YfM1sIZTHEosNVQWIWtyw+3Hb6ZhpGLuaxqe8jYKSJ+RnE1cX0/lI8 btdT7PyNapyz8m/sGEeMf/a+O+aDRr/cv50GVQWD98CM3a1tvUob3v9iH7L/wFEGyR4V7NLuhbYr 6sqktCzICnjkrCblAIpZnWWBPbvzuJZtAgMBAAGjNDAyMCIGA1UdEQQbMBmBF3Noby5mdWthbWFj aGlAZ21haWwuY29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEATlDmSJ8egBeeoqwO HCxUloxGqK+hbn7EVNv21XBa0p3l8qHMoVY4IG5Uo3PmmfbtICWw9akuo1kRbhalcwLJK0Cxb32W Vs0hQMyBrlpHIJJHDfuQ5A1WHW7An20Qdp2CU8WV03TbjdrJw0K7DvwZo6FX65fMiqdDhswP0NTA HfEwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UE CBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25z dWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQD ExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZy ZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYD VQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMj VGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0A MIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJj WiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHF KlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNV HR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFp bENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJl bDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2 H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V 2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDEDCCAwwCAQEwdjBiMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UE AxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEBSIX9MtV1ZEa0RApBcv2rAw CQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAW8wGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcN MDgwODE1MDYxMTUwWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU8g7ibrg+yASA5zZPKHJdv0EkIfYwgYUGCSsG AQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQ dHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAU iF/TLVdWRGtEQKQXL9qwMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNV BAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAUiF/TLVdWRGtEQKQXL9qwMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIB AH37eiohjr/SFWCQrY6lQWaC+Ub16iZjwq1XICFoc5nUrW58L7Szq7rY294RNTp1Q9mGNYUOsf0D Mq+PEEhjw37aiomgccW5Ec5Zh58GOlVrpQE2vE21ES5JRiy1vHGf3oMwaxbq3Hdx+pDrEeDLzv4G sRI+GWhzjE4CVJEuGY+Jem2mtmAuU+RJxje0sVBUxYfx4M5Ou2RBmVF3FMoWNGhOjOXaRe10txZj ow5tra/Zw785cXJSAj/y6vsoO/3SJ5fgnPjf6fY2LCxc2yVjsUo1iTeTTQbSQpfVINBx10mpe5d3 kDSaH3wbibSUY5xXD2GBgiJWN7MoVHffGJAObwkAAAAAAAA= --Apple-Mail-13--44658083--