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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:19:34 +0300
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Subject: Re: Trolling of Couchappers
From: Alexander Shorin <kxepal@gmail.com>
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I think my words about "may not survive next major release" were taken
too straight and close to heart (:

Clarification: nothing will happen with couchapps for 2.0. We'll keep
them work as they did all the time before.

What happens with them for 3.0? Nobody know. And you're right about
lack of strategy here.

They will certainly survive if someone will take care about. But if
not, what always happens with features that are not being maintained
for a long time and contains a lot of issues? You know that sad
answer. I don't like it too, but it honest.

But till then and for today let's not speculate on uncertain future.
Maintainer vacation is open. Everyone welcome!

P.S. I also have "insider" information, that Cloudant would like to
keep them (at least as is).  Robert Newson will give comment about
this later.

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On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM, ermouth <ermouth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear PMCs, I heartly ask you: stop trolling couchappers.
>
> It became even more annoying, then Jan=E2=80=98s direct assaults.
>
> If you want to kill the feature =E2=80=93 well, say when and in which amo=
unt. If
> you can=E2=80=98t =E2=80=93 just say nothing.
>
> All these speeches, that you=E2=80=98re making kickass cluster are good. =
But when
> you start to say that you:
>
> * remove couchapp (which?) functions
> * possibly keep part of functions
> * remove them soon
> * remove them later
> * don=E2=80=98t remove them if someone start to support em.
>
> ... it=E2=80=98s just trolling. There is long german word, that means =E2=
=80=98major
> version upgrade phobia=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 well, you, dear PMCs, made all =
your best to
> induce this phobia to couchappers. Because you troll them. Directly.
> Changing each other daily, like you=E2=80=98re on duty.
>
> All this crap like =E2=80=98watch me=E2=80=99 is just direct and sometime=
s assaultive
> trolling. And I see it every freaking day here.
>
> Please, just stop.
>
> Dear PMCs, there is some obvious strategic consequences, that are clearly
> seen. Removing all these features when you roll out completely new versio=
n
> will lead you to:
>
> * nearly zero-size cluster fans community =E2=80=93 nobody knows about Co=
uchDB
> cluster yet, but all know there is Couchbase that is 100x faster;
> * zero size couchapp community here;
> * enormous amount of harsh, cynical and very personal public critics, whe=
re
> newborn cluster will be on special focus.
>
> So think carefully, and then say what you removing and when =E2=80=93 or =
say
> nothing.
>
> And anyway: please, stop trolling.
>
> ermouth