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From: Giovanni P <fiatjaf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:43:03 -0300
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Subject: Re: Trolling of Couchappers
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The tone Jan has been using when talking about Couchapps and when answering
Giovanni Lenzi's questions and suggestions is clearly not "empathetic,
welcoming, friendly and patient". The "Watch me" statement was the icing on
the cake of his disrespectful behavior. However, during all this time
nobody has reminded Jan of the CoC. Instead, what Jean Touzet said on the
matter was "my survey of the PMC members so far has resulted in 100% of us
in agreement with Jan's comments."

On the other side, accusing people of trolling is not clearly against the
CoC, if the accusation is not unreasonable or made in an aggressive tone,
which wasn't the case. If not for anything else, at least this thread has
served to assure me (as a couchapp user) that couchapps are not being
discontinued in 2.0, so it was really good.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Robert Samuel Newson <rnewson@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I remind everybody that we have a code of conduct;
>
> https://couchdb.apache.org/conduct.html
>
> The tone of the couchapp discussion has been at odds with our CoC in my
> opinion and
> this accusation of trolling is one of them. Clearly a disagreement is not
> trolling, no matter
> how firmly held the opinions are on both side. Neither side is claiming t=
o
> be for or against
> couchapps simply to annoy other people.
>
> Let=E2=80=99s please return to the couchapp discussion thread and leave t=
his
> notion of trolling behind us.
>
> Regards
> Robert Newson
> CouchDB PMC
>
>
> > On 21 Sep 2015, at 14:38, ermouth <ermouth@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear PMCs, I heartly ask you: stop trolling couchappers.
> >
> > It became even more annoying, then Jan=E2=80=98s direct assaults.
> >
> > If you want to kill the feature =E2=80=93 well, say when and in which a=
mount. If
> > you can=E2=80=98t =E2=80=93 just say nothing.
> >
> > All these speeches, that you=E2=80=98re making kickass cluster are good=
. But when
> > you start to say that you:
> >
> > * remove couchapp (which?) functions
> > * possibly keep part of functions
> > * remove them soon
> > * remove them later
> > * don=E2=80=98t remove them if someone start to support em.
> >
> > ... it=E2=80=98s just trolling. There is long german word, that means =
=E2=80=98major
> > version upgrade phobia=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 well, you, dear PMCs, made al=
l your best to
> > induce this phobia to couchappers. Because you troll them. Directly.
> > Changing each other daily, like you=E2=80=98re on duty.
> >
> > All this crap like =E2=80=98watch me=E2=80=99 is just direct and someti=
mes assaultive
> > trolling. And I see it every freaking day here.
> >
> > Please, just stop.
> >
> > Dear PMCs, there is some obvious strategic consequences, that are clear=
ly
> > seen. Removing all these features when you roll out completely new
> version
> > will lead you to:
> >
> > * nearly zero-size cluster fans community =E2=80=93 nobody knows about =
CouchDB
> > cluster yet, but all know there is Couchbase that is 100x faster;
> > * zero size couchapp community here;
> > * enormous amount of harsh, cynical and very personal public critics,
> where
> > newborn cluster will be on special focus.
> >
> > So think carefully, and then say what you removing and when =E2=80=93 o=
r say
> > nothing.
> >
> > And anyway: please, stop trolling.
> >
> > ermouth
>
>

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