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Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 13:53:33 +0200
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Subject: Re: Jan bias for Hoodie brought him to eradicate couchapps?!?!
From: Giovanni Lenzi <g.lenzi@smileupps.com>
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Hi Jan,

I'm very sorry for the tone!

I am looking forward working on this for a good solution for everyone

Best

2015-05-07 13:15 GMT+02:00 Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>:

> Giovanni,
>
> I'd appreciate it if you'd lay off the personal attacks. I have nothing
> but the best interests of CouchDB in mind. If you are arguing against me,
> start from that premise.
>
> Best
> Jan
> --
>
> > On 07.05.2015, at 05:13, Giovanni Lenzi <g.lenzi@smileupps.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jan.. don't you think you are simply too biased for external projects,
> such
> > as your hoodie and pouchdb, to choose by your own, on a topic like
> > 'retiring couchapps', so important to couchdb users and devs?
> >
> > You REALLY can't mask it behind a marketing@ decision, of finding a
> story
> > you have already written, since a long time, and that you simply don'want
> > to change. Your story of the "data where you need it", does not have
> users
> > and industries consensus. You can't hide it!
> >
> > You started with changing tooling names, sutting down couchapp domains
> and
> > forcing our company to change our old couchappy name (even if couchapp
> > wasn't even a trademark). We did it, because you promised visibility to
> us
> > and couchapps, which has never happened. We believed in your words and in
> > an healty pmc, but after this last move, we really can't think it
> anymore.
> >
> > Couchapps are now much more powerful than they were in the past, also
> > thanks to our smileupps tutorials and app store platform, and to many
> other
> > improvements proposal already advanced by users, who instead would like
> to
> > improve them, not the contrary!!!
> >
> > Your chance now is to completely eradicate a main recruiting couchdb
> > feature, before users can get aware of its potential, leading couchdb
> > towards a probable self-killing action. And the worst is you are doing
> > this, without any proven evidence and motivation, withouth asking devs of
> > its development complexity, and users what they think about it.
> >
> > I definetely think you should:
> > 1. HEAR YOUR COMMUNITY AND DEVS.. and if the consensus is 'don't remove
> > couchapps, but push them with aggressive marketing'.. well then.. just do
> > it!
> > 2. Don't mark it absolutely as a marketing issue
> >
> > And you sould do this, before this could really be faced in front of the
> > ASF board.
>


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Giovanni Lenzi
www.smileupps.com
Smileupps Couchapps Store

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