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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:25:26 GMT
If nobody objects, I'm going to assume consensus that "dedicating" a
release to an individual is okay if it takes the form of a footnote.

On 28 October 2014 17:21, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> (Re-copying dev@ here too.)
>
> Nope. Nobody is donating anything. This would be a reward that CouchDB
> advocates can redeem in exchange for advocating CouchDB. (There's a
> quick refresher in my first email, but I'm happy to provide more
> info.)
>
> My goal is to let a highly productive advocate have a bit of "power"
> over something. This ties into a theory about what motivates different
> people. Some people like recognition, some people just like free
> stuff, some people like exclusive access to things, and some people
> like being granted power.
>
> The first three are relatively easy, but the power thing is hard to do
> in a community where anybody can make a decision.
>
> The only things I can think of so far are:
>
> - "Naming" a weekly news edition (just a bit of fun, i.e. "aka the X edition")
> - Having a release dedicated to you (more of a recognition reward, really
> - Naming something inside the AdvocateHub (like a challenge)
>
> On 28 October 2014 01:37, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:
>> I don't understand, are we accepting donations and letting people name
>> releases? What's the point of a "name"? Don't get me wrong, I love the
>> Toy Story release names for Debian....
>>
>> Counter-counter-proposal 1:
>>
>> If we want to use this to raise awareness...
>>
>> Do what Vim does. If people want to donate, and don't feel like
>> donating to the ASF, they can donate to the official CouchDB charity.
>> That could be something thematic like the Furniture Bank of America,
>> or something that we all feel passionate about TBD.
>>
>> Counter-counter-proposal 2:
>>
>> Yearly thank-yous to people that help, a sort of "awards" thing.
>> No need to tie it to a (possibly irregular) release schedule.
>>
>> -Joan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Noah Slater" <nslater@apache.org>
>> To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org
>> Cc: "Joan Touzet" <wohali@apache.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:01:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases
>>
>> Seems like consensus is that this is a bad idea--as formulated.
>>
>> How about softening the proposal?
>>
>> Counter-proposal A:
>>
>> - Tweets, social media posts, changelog, etc. all use the number *only*
>> - There is a single sentence in the release announcement email and
>> blog post to the effect of "aka the X release"
>>
>> Counter-proposal B:
>>
>> - Rephrase it slightly so that we're "dedicating" the release to
>> someone as a thank you
>>
>> Only problem with counter-proposal B is that (while it might be a good
>> idea) it puts it into the "access" category. We're giving someone
>> exclusive access to our platform as a thank you.
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas for rewards that fall into the "power"
>> category, that we can reasonably offer, without compromising the
>> integrity of the project?
>>
>> We could let people "name" weekly news posts, I suppose. "aka the X
>> update". Heh. Perhaps that's less risky.
>>
>>
>> On 27 October 2014 21:55, Sebastian Rothbucher
>> <sebastianrothbucher@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd KISS also - and stick with numbers only, so -0.5 as well
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> -0.5 for all the reasons previously outlined.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Paul Davis" <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com>
>>>> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org, andywenk@apache.org
>>>> Cc: marketing@couchdb.apache.org
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Naming releases
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit on the -1 side of things as well. Having two ways to refer
>>>> to a release has always annoyed me with projects like Debian/Ubuntu.
>>>> Granted they tend to use them a lot more interchangeably than Noah is
>>>> suggesting, though I do wonder if it'd still lead to confusion.
>>>>
>>>> I think for the particular current case I wonder if we can't think of
>>>> other perk things for the category that Noah is trying to fill. Though
>>>> I have to say I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> > I have a bit of a feeling, that the proposal is a bit misunderstood.
Noah
>>>> > has written:
>>>> >
>>>> > "We'd mention the name in the release announcement and
>>>> > in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk about releases
>>>> > using the release number."
>>>> >
>>>> > So we use the name for a CouchDB release solely for marketing activities.
>>>> > We stay with the release numbers. So the number is the important part.
>>>> With
>>>> > Mac OS X and Ubuntu, the name is the important part and the number is
>>>> ... a
>>>> > number.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I don't see any problems with naming a release if we keep the release
>>>> > number as the most important part.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> >
>>>> > Andy
>>>> >
>>>> > On 27 October 2014 20:18, Klaus Trainer <klaus_trainer@posteo.de>
wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I agree that it can be confusing.  Ubuntu is doing that, and even
though
>>>> >> I've been using it for almost a decade now (and thus follow its
release
>>>> >> cycles pretty closely), I'm still getting confused about their release
>>>> >> names from time to time.  Please make sure that our project won't
run
>>>> >> the risk of creating such unnecessary confusion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >> Klaus
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 27.10.2014 19:31, Robert Samuel Newson wrote:
>>>> >> > Also not a fan, its confusing and there’s an effort involved
in coming
>>>> >> up with a name, an artificial impediment to release cycles, and
we have
>>>> >> enough real ones.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > B.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On 27 Oct 2014, at 16:45, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I’m not a fan, but I won’t be in the way of this.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Best
>>>> >> >> Jan
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> On 27 Oct 2014, at 14:49 , Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Hi folks,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> SUMMARY
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm currently working on the rewards for the CouchDB
AdvocateHub.
>>>> (See
>>>> >> >>> bottom of this email for a refresher.)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> One of the rewards I'd like to offer is the ability
to "name" a
>>>> >> >>> CouchDB release. We'd mention the name in the release
announcement
>>>> and
>>>> >> >>> in the changelog. But otherwise, we'd continue to talk
about
>>>> releases
>>>> >> >>> using the release number.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Primarily, I see it as a bit of fun. And a great way
to reward
>>>> >> advocates.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'm cross-posting this to dev and marketing because
it's both a
>>>> >> >>> release management proposal as well as a marketing
proposal.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> DETAILS
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> The way I see it working:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> - Advocate redeems the "name a release" reward, and
picks a name
>>>> >> >>> - The name is vetted by the PMC (for brand protection)
and put on a
>>>> >> queue
>>>> >> >>> - The next release picks the oldest name on the queue
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I'd probably actually want to separate this into three
rewards:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> - Name a bugfix release
>>>> >> >>> - Name a minor release
>>>> >> >>> - Name a major release
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Each one would be require more points than the last.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> REFRESHER
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Our AdvocateHub is a professional tool that has been
donated to us
>>>> >> >>> that will allow us to mobilise fans of CouchDB to talk
about,
>>>> promote,
>>>> >> >>> and advocate CouchDB to on social media, and to their
network. For a
>>>> >> >>> project like ours, with limited to no financial budget
for
>>>> traditional
>>>> >> >>> marketing, this is a huge opportunity for us.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> The AdvocateHub has two important concepts (for the
purposes of this
>>>> >> >>> email): challenges and rewards. Advocates complete
challenges (like
>>>> >> >>> "leave a review" or "write a case-study") and in return,
we give
>>>> them
>>>> >> >>> points. Collect enough points, and they can redeem
rewards. The
>>>> >> >>> rewards are a thank you helping to advocate CouchDB.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> RATIONALE
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> There are four main categories of reward:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> - Stuff (t-shirts, mugs, tickets to conferences, etc)
>>>> >> >>> - Access (dinner with a committer, promotion on our
blog, social
>>>> >> media, etc)
>>>> >> >>> - Status (recognition on our website, hand written
thank you note,
>>>> etc)
>>>> >> >>> - Power (name a release, ... what else?)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Struggling on the "power" category, because everything
we do here is
>>>> >> >>> decided by the community. This category would be much
easier to fill
>>>> >> >>> out if we were a regular business. But I figure that
naming a
>>>> release
>>>> >> >>> is a fun approach.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>> Noah Slater
>>>> >> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Andy Wenk
>>>> > Hamburg - Germany
>>>> > RockIt!
>>>> >
>>>> > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>>> >
>>>> >  https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater



-- 
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater

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