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From Robert Kowalski <>
Subject Re: “Yes, and…”, not “But…” (Was: [PROPOSAL] Create mailing list)
Date Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:33:41 GMT
Hi Johs,

there is some more material I know of which completes the talk from Isaac.

 - A talk which tries to take a look what motivates people in Open Source
and what happens when at some point some people are paid to do certain
tasks in the project [1]

 - The book "Producing Open Source Software", written by the author of our
neighbors at the ASF that maintain the svn project - which was also part of
Isaacs talk as further reference [2]

 - Parts of "Natalia Berdys: The web experience in the autistic spectrum"

In the end it is all about input and output. You throw things into your
mail, that get's read by real people. Real people are behind that screen,
and these people have feelings. These people get feelings when they read
your response.

I am not sure what you mean by avoiding conflict or enforcing conflict to
build a skyscraper. I think you can build a good skyscraper or also a
smaller project if your group is able to give proper feedback. If your
group is not able to give proper feedback to everyone on a regular basis
building everything gets harder - if not impossible.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Johs Ensby <> wrote:

> Robert,
> the video that you recommended caught my interest and I saw the whole
> thing trough again and took a closer into the philosophy behind it. The NVC
> ideology didn't pass my standards, I am afraid.
> The danger of totally abandoning the concept of objective truth is that
> you end up with everybody's feelings as the only sacred thing in this world.
> To avoid conflict to maximize your transaction with people (you get what
> you need and I get what I need) can be good in a short-term business
> relation, but not if you try to build a good machine or sky scraper.
> Would be interesting to know if anyone know of a paper that deals with the
> difference in values and beliefs in the best OSS teams.
> Johs
> > On 15. sep. 2015, at 02.48, Johs Ensby <> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for this video, Robert
> > Very interesting, any other input like this that captures knowhow about
> how to make OSS communities productive and compassionate would be highly
> appreciated
> >
> > Johs
> >
> >
> >> On 14. sep. 2015, at 19.35, Robert Kowalski < <mailto:
>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would really recommend this talk which explains a lot of Human-Human
> >> interactions in communities:
> <
> >>
> >> I would be really interested in your feedback about it as a possible
> >> building block for further discussions about Jan's and Jason's mails.
> >

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