Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CF5117434 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 90467 invoked by uid 500); 26 Mar 2015 09:38:34 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 90398 invoked by uid 500); 26 Mar 2015 09:38:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 90387 invoked by uid 99); 26 Mar 2015 09:38:33 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:38:33 +0000 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 006FF1A0466 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgdm6 with SMTP id m6so57587960wgd.2 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.75.193 with SMTP id e1mr25773442wjw.126.1427362711522; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:38:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: andywenk@apache.org Received: by 10.28.178.83 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:38:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150318214619.A04BC221B9@wilderness.apache.org> From: Andy Wenk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03ea862d42a05122dc7e1 --047d7bb03ea862d42a05122dc7e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, just read the transcript of the meeting. Wow - so much progress! high 5 to all of you. Awesome work!!! All the best Andy On 25 March 2015 at 14:54, madhuka udantha wrote= : > Thanks for information > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Alexander Shorin > wrote: > > > There wasn't any announcements, so much likely no. Personally, I > > cannot run it today. > > -- > > ,,,^..^,,, > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 AM, madhuka udantha > > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Will the weekly meeting be held today? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, ASF IRC Bot < > > asfbot@urd.zones.apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Mar 18 20:01:39 > 2015: > > >> > > >> Attendees: Wohali, arun_agarwal, Buddhika, Kxepal, Ndeeshaan, > > >> sebastianrothbuc, nslater, jan____, klaus_trainer, robertkowalski, > > >> rkowalski__ > > >> > > >> - Preface > > >> - fauxton status > > >> - rcouch merge > > >> - couchperuser > > >> - Google Summer of Code (GSoC) > > >> - Action: robertkowalski to start vote for couchperuser > > >> - couchdb-www / www@c.a.o > > >> - couchdbdocker > > >> - nano import > > >> - _bulk_revs > > >> - 2.0 > > >> - Action: robertkowalski writes a text about the process > > >> - Action: Kxepal and jan____ to figure out consolidation of instal= l > > >> instructions > > >> > > >> > > >> IRC log follows: > > >> > > >> ## Preface ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:48 2015] : I would like to welcome > > >> Ndeeshaan who participates in this gsoc > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:55 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:57 2015] : hi! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:17 2015] : I am also a first timer > here > > :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:21 2015] : great - welcome! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:38 2015] : hi arun_agarwal! welcom= e! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:55 2015] : Hi Robert and everyone in > the > > >> team. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:15 2015] : heya arun_agarwal & Ndeeshaan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:21 2015] : Hi all > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:51 2015] : Ndeeshaan: arun_agarwal hi and > > >> welcome (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:07:56 2015] : robertkowalski: wanna go with > your > > >> topics? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:08:08 2015] : ok! > > >> ## fauxton status ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:00 2015] : the fauxton testsuite > > >> (integration tests) will be running on couchdb 2 soon, PR is already > in > > >> review > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:34 2015] : for the mango interface > > that > > >> means that we can write integration tests for it. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:47 2015] : current status of mango= : > > you > > >> can create indexes and list them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:04 2015] : garren currently works = on > > >> rewriting the all-docs-list to react > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:36 2015] : if you know fauxton, yo= u > > will > > >> know that the all-docs-list is a horrible, grown, godobject the > refactor > > >> solves a lot of problems > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:16 2015] : nice! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:17 2015] : michelle rewrites > > activetasks > > >> in react > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:32 2015] : and we have a lot of > > smaller > > >> bugfixes in the pipeline > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:14 2015] : it think that's it for > > >> fauxton, i expect the first part of mango getting merged next week, > > behind > > >> a small feature-flip > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:22 2015] : so interested folks can > > test > > >> it already > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:33 2015] : and the code is > integrated > > >> into master > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:49 2015] : why a feature flip? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:12 2015] : currently it is just > > possible > > >> to create and list indexes > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:15 2015] : not to query > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:44 2015] : but i would like to > > integrate > > >> into master early and don't want users think it is a bug and create > jira > > >> tickets > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:53 2015] : + to > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:14 2015] : got it, thanks! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:19 2015] : > > >> http://locahlhost:8000/mydatabase?beta=3DenableQuery > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:30 2015] : and then the menu-point > > gets > > >> visible > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:25 2015] : cool trick :) > > >> ## rcouch merge ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:50 2015] : jan____: yes, easy as p= ie > > but > > >> very useful > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:07 2015] : i was wondering what th= e > > >> status of the rcouch merge is > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:22 2015] : and Kxepal answered on > the > > ML > > >> that one feature got merged, the others not > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:25 2015] : not sure rnewson or davisp are > here > > >> to talk about it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:33 2015] : robertkowalski: it's stalled. w= e > > need > > >> a hero and benoitc to pick the features from those branch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:52 2015] : some of the features are > > incompatible > > >> in their current state, or are broken by clustering > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:17 2015] : but some features are very usef= ul > > >> like lagger configuration > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:25 2015] : hmmm... is it still > > supposed > > >> to land in 2.0? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:33 2015] : robertkowalski: partially > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:45 2015] : the logging configuration has > been > > >> touched differently on master with lager > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:46 2015] : full merge wasn't in priority > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:15 2015] : i think making any more rcouch > > merge > > >> actions for 2.0 a priority will significantly delay its release > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:24 2015] : not saying there's not useful > stuff > > >> but beware scope creep! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:55 2015] : fully agreed! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] : moving on unless there's more t= o > > say > > >> here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] : yeah, I think we agreed on > getting > > >> 2.0 out and then port over more things > > >> ## couchperuser ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:43 2015] : klaus_trainer pinged me > > >> yesterday > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:18 2015] : he would like to move > > >> couchperuser to the asf and would also like to maintain it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:21 2015] : Bob Ippolito wrote this little > > >> plugin that creates a user DB when a user signs up. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:31 2015] : it=E2=80=99s small and useful = and he=E2=80=99d > be > > >> fine with donating it to the ASF > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:40 2015] : thanks jan, sorry for n= ot > > >> providing context > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:41 2015] : I wouldn=E2=80=99t mind taking= this on > as > > an > > >> off-by-default feature > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:04 2015] : plus klaus is already working = on > > >> making it for 2.0 etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:09 2015] : +1, off-by-default, assuming > there > > >> are some tests added and it doesn't break in clustered mode > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:13 2015] : See > > >> https://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchperuser > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:20 2015] : I guess we need to run a vote a= nd > > IP > > >> clearance then > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:32 2015] : I=E2=80=99d be happy to be the= officer > > that > > >> runs the import paperwork > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:49 2015] : jan____: thank you a lot for > that! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:59 2015] : Wohali: has tests, don=E2=80= =99t know > > about > > >> cluster mode yet, klaus_trainer? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] : Hi peple :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] : been doing imports lately, don= =E2=80=99t > > >> mind it :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:29 2015] : Currently there are no > tests > > >> that we can use right now. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:35 2015] : i am happy to help out > > >> jan____ if klaus_trainer has questions, as i did that for mango with > > jan____ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:37 2015] : jan____: as always the hard thi= ng > > is > > >> that many plugins make assumptions that aren't cluster-safe, e.g. > being > > the > > >> "only" node involved in something, making assumptions about locking > > things > > >> down, etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:19 2015] : Wohali: yeah, looking forward > how > > >> klaus_trainer is solving this :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:23 2015] : yay > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:40 2015] : i'd say get the ip clearance > done, > > >> put in a branch, hopefully clean up for official 2.0 release > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:20 2015] : anything else? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:32 2015] : Sounds good. I'm > definitely > > >> willing to do more work on it assuming that we can integrate it. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:38 2015] : yay > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:40 2015] : moving on > > >> ## Google Summer of Code (GSoC) ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:46 2015] : shall i kick off a vote > on > > >> the dev-ml for the codebase? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:51 2015] : in addition, would say this > isn=E2=80=99t > > >> blocking 2,0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:06 2015] : agreed, not a 2.0 blocker, get = it > > in > > >> a branch and put in 2.0 if we can make it sane > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:23 2015] : robertkowalski: +1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:49 2015] : ok > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:04 2015] : so we are particiapting > in > > >> this years google summer of code! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:17 2015] : #action robertkowalski to star= t > > vote > > >> for couchperuser > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:22 2015] : \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:38 2015] : Yay! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:48 2015] : Ndeeshaan and Buddhika > are > > >> also here today > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:13 2015] : I think we have 5 > students > > >> that are interested > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:38 2015] : and the deadline for th= e > > >> proposals is in 1-2weeks > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:12 2015] : 27 th of March is the deadli= ne > > >> precisely :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:46 2015] : we are still searching > for > > >> mentors, jan____ is mentoring the queryserver protocol improvements, > > and i > > >> am mentoring for fauxton > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:19 2015] : but more mentors would = be > > >> even better! :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:20 2015] : i'm sorry that i can't voluntee= r > > this > > >> time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:11 2015] : Buddhika: I will look > for a > > >> template for the proposal tonight for you and Ndeeshaan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:24 2015] : and the other students > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:40 2015] : That would be great > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:46 2015] : Wohali: do not worry! <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:48 2015] : Wohali: no worries! nex= t > > year! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:20 2015] : robertkowalski: Thanks a lot > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2015] : we are also happy to he= lp > > >> with the proposals, at least where we can > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:25 2015] : i think thats it so far > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:32 2015] : We'll try to prepare draft > > >> proposals as soon as possible. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:48 2015] : We have one week to refine > them. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:27 2015] : cool! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:38 2015] : I have completed my draft > > proposal > > >> and I can send it :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:34:17 2015] : awesome! > > >> ## couchdb-www / www@c.a.o ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:35:49 2015] : we have a new git repo > couchdb-www > > >> that infra is testing git-based website publishing > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:10 2015] : it isn=E2=80=99t 100% live yet= , but the > EU > > >> mirror of the web server is already backed by it. So if we now want = to > > make > > >> any changes, we have to do it in SVN and git, but only for a short > > while, > > >> until more projects signed up to use git and INFRA moves us over ful= ly > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:34 2015] : jan____: \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:43 2015] : in addition, we agreed to set > up a > > >> www@c.a.o mailing list and it exists now, but nothing is happening. > > Does > > >> anyone have any insight as to why? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:45 2015] : jan____: is it on githu= b? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:11 2015] : no github mirror yet > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:14 2015] : jan____: i guess everyo= ne > > is > > >> waiting for github to send PRs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:49 2015] : yeah, I=E2=80=99ve been pushy,= but infra > > is > > >> also busy with other stuff > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:26 2015] : jan____: at least i am > > doing > > >> that (waiting) before writing to www@ that we have git now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:30 2015] : but about www@ =E2=80=94 what = are we > > >> waiting for? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:40:45 2015] : arun_agarwal is also > > >> subscribed waiting for github prs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:41:31 2015] : at least i asked him to > do > > >> that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:07 2015] : robertkowalski: yup, true > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:09 2015] : ok, thanks! > > >> ## couchdbdocker ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:24 2015] : just FYI: The couchdb-docker > > project > > >> is also being imported from github, necessary paperwork on their end > has > > >> been filed, next step is getting the IP clearance going, will do tha= t > > this > > >> week. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:37 2015] : \o/ > > >> ## nano import ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:47:13 2015] : Garren has been sorting out th= e > > >> legal paperwork for nano, and we are close. once that is all done, > we=E2=80=99ll > > >> start the usual import procedure, I=E2=80=99m also shepherding that. > > >> ## _bulk_revs ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:48:53 2015] : I=E2=80=99m interested in optm= ising > > >> replication performance using _bulk_revs / COUCHDB-2310 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:25 2015] : we are basically waiting for a > > patch > > >> from benoitc, but if that doesn=E2=80=99t materialise, I=E2=80=99ll = look at doing it > > from > > >> scratch. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:38 2015] : jan____: I had a talk with him > > today > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:40 2015] : +1 to try from scratch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:51 2015] : he'll try to find a time to mak= e > it > > >> soon > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:53 2015] : Kxepal: any news? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:15 2015] : Kxepal: ok, nice to hear. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:46 2015] : Kxepal: did he mention = a > > >> specific timeframe in that he wants to try to find time? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:50 2015] : I have a week or two before I > can > > >> look into it proper, so that would be my cutoff date > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:23 2015] : jan____: ah ok, good id= ea > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:24 2015] : robertkowalski: no, but that's = in > > his > > >> priority list todo for couchdb now as I understood. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:03 2015] : so let's give him a little bit > time > > >> to finish the job > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:13 2015] : k > > >> ## 2.0 ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:19 2015] : i was one week away but= i > > >> think nothing has happened for 2.0, right? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:51 2015] : i still did not have ti= me > > to > > >> work on my items, blocked by mango and other stuff > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:59 2015] : small things, as far as I can > see > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:02 2015] : robertkowalski: nothing crimina= l, > > >> right > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:52 2015] : I did some local hacking on th= e > > >> build/packaging stuff, but need to find more time, nothing to show y= et > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:22 2015] : jan____: can i send you= a > > pr > > >> with my script that pulls names out of the subrepos? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:41 2015] : i talked to several > people > > >> and they all said we don't need the number of commits > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:09 2015] : just commit to my branch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:17 2015] : because the exact numbe= r > of > > >> commits is broken as some commmits are still in the old couchdb mast= er > > >> branch, some not > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:34 2015] : jan____: is there any jir= a > > >> ticket where the hack steps are documented? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:00 2015] : arun_agarwal: which hack steps > > >> specifically? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:15 2015] : jan____: on build/packagi= ng > > >> stuff. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:02 2015] : jan____: was just curious= , > > >> nothing specific :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:17 2015] : arun_agarwal: hm, there isn=E2= =80=98t > much > > >> to explain > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:36 2015] : arun_agarwal: I=E2=80=99m curr= ently > > working > > >> here https://github.com/apache/couchdb/pull/302 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:39 2015] : jan____: ohk. I see, plea= se > > go > > >> ahead. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:58 2015] : there is some feedback that I > need > > >> to incorporate > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:22 2015] : and I think I=E2=80=99m blocke= d by a > > cyclic > > >> dependency, but I=E2=80=99ll figure it out. Might have to rename ./c= onfigure > to > > >> ./bootstrap > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:34 2015] : or strip some stuff from > > ./configure > > >> and move it into a ./bootstrap, but not 100% sure yet > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] : anything else on 2.0? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] : jan____: sure. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:06 2015] : oh sebastianrothbuc you > > write > > >> "BTW: so did copying in 1.6.1 files, calling them from local port, > > >> replicating them up to the cluster port." - does that fix COUCHDB-25= 93 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:09 2015] : ? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:28 2015] : > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2593 - maybe you can > > take a > > >> look later > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:03 2015] : at least I tried to > > destroy > > >> something in such a setup (i.e. copy "old" 1.6.1 .couch files into t= he > > 2.0 > > >> data dir > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:05 2015] : but it just works > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:10 2015] : you get the databases > on > > >> the local port > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:19 2015] : you can create one > (same > > >> name) on the cluster port > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:20 2015] : replicate > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:22 2015] : and that's it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:23 2015] : I=E2=80=99d like to start look= ing at > > running > > >> the 1.x JS test suite against master, so we can see how compatible 1= .x > > and > > >> 2.0 are going to be. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:42 2015] : This will require some changes > and > > >> reorganisation to the tests, but I think it=E2=80=99ll be very worth= it, if we > > want > > >> to make upgrades as painless as possible > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:02 2015] : (nice) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:10 2015] : jan____: js test suite need in > > global > > >> refactoring, since it still remember the days when it ran from > browsers > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:30 2015] : can't we run it from > > >> browser again? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:38 2015] : "some changes" may be not a > trivial > > >> to made > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:59 2015] : sebastianrothbuc: no, because > some > > >> browsers (I didn't mention chome) are buggy on some cases > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:07 2015] : I know there was a lot of work > on > > >> other sort of tests as well, but as far as I can tell, they are all > > >> tailored for 2.0/master. I=E2=80=99m specifically interested in 1.x = compat > and I > > >> think the JS tests cover the API well and have yet only run against > the > > >> local interface > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:15 2015] : why does it need a major > refactor? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:37 2015] : they run in browsrs and on the > CLI > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:46 2015] : jan____: because it's full of > > terror > > >> if you're trying to figure why test fails. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:06 2015] : all we need to do is point the= m > at > > >> the cluster port and disable the ones that we don=E2=80=99t expect t= o work > > (_config > > >> etc) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:23 2015] : Kxepal: I=E2=80=99ve lived in = that world > > for > > >> many years, I=E2=80=99m not afraid > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:37 2015] : and I don=E2=80=99t want to re= factor the > > >> tests because I specificallyw ant to run out 1.x suite against 2.0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:44 2015] : once we are over, we can do > > whatever > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:52 2015] : jan____: not sure to hug you or > > call > > >> a hero > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:19 2015] : lol <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:54 2015] : I=E2=80=99mma bring this up on= dev@ > > >> separately to hear from folks > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:12 2015] : good call > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:28 2015] : I think that will flush out so= me > > >> more things we need to do, but after that, we are getting closer to > the > > >> final stretch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:00 2015] : short question reagrdin= g > > the > > >> logo process > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:50 2015] : i talked to sean and he > > would > > >> take the proposed position on the mailinglist. can i propose him or > how > > >> does it work? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:10:53 2015] : what do you mean =E2=80=9Cprop= osed > > position=E2=80=9C > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:11:46 2015] : nslater sent an mail to > the > > >> mailing list: > > >> > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201503.mbox/%3= CCAPaJBx4gf-yAnMPDGrKnWuN-FsC0dmuBeNLvaVpcDCyAr5CYGQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:08 2015] : "The community selects = a > > >> person or person(s) to > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:09 2015] : do the design. That > person > > is > > >> then entrusted to do the stuff. No > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:10 2015] : voting necessary. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:11 2015] : " > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:26 2015] : robertkowalski: ok, but we have= a > > >> group of people that made a logo. each own with own vision and > > arguments. > > >> what's now? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:31 2015] : good question, I think yeah, > just > > >> nominate him > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:54 2015] : design by committee! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:11 2015] : Kxepal: so far no one g= ot > > >> nominated by anyone > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:28 2015] : but i am also not sure > what > > >> we do if we have multiple nominations. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:32 2015] : hmm.. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:39 2015] : I'm at a gig > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:47 2015] : Wohali: what do you > think? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:50 2015] : just to say: my email was just= a > > >> recommendation > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:56 2015] : I=E2=80=99m in favour of letti= ng a > > >> professional designer take this on. They can work with the other > > proposal > > >> people to figure out which way to go > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:01 2015] : let's do whatever makes sense > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:02 2015] : ultimately the PMC decides > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:08 2015] : nslater: get out of here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:10 2015] : my words are not golden > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:13 2015] : nslater: <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:16 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:31 2015] : cya! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:53 2015] : what is important: we will hur= t > > >> people=E2=80=99s feelings, we need to be prepared to do this > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:01 2015] : this isn=E2=80=99t everybody t= hrows > their > > >> patch/+1 in > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:20 2015] : sorry i was lying down > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:39 2015] : can someone give me a quick > > question > > >> as to "what do you think" means? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:21 2015] : Wohali: we are unsure > about > > >> the process regarding the logo and how to proceed with the many > > submissions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:31 2015] : I like Noah=E2=80=99s suggesti= on, the > PMC > > is > > >> the customer and makes the final call, they work with a nominated > > designer > > >> that works out one or more proposals with the other community folks. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:40 2015] : community gets to vote on > > >> preferences, PMC makes a call. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:03 2015] : I have no qualms about having > > >> Sean/Cloudant be that designer > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:04 2015] : agree, PMC is the ajudicator an= d > > >> probably will result in a PMC vote. We need to review the bylaws on > this > > >> one to ensure there's appropriate precedent there > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:16 2015] : Wohali: you mean adding > > that > > >> process to the bylaws? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:21 2015] : jan____: mmm...I'd like to argu= e > > you, > > >> but not now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:39 2015] : robertkowalski: all standards r= e: > > >> voting are in the bylaws. not sure if this is covered. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:47 2015] : Kxepal: let=E2=80=99s do it on > marketing@ > > =E2=80=94 > > >> I=E2=80=99ll reply there > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:52 2015] : jan____: ok > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:54 2015] : as for picking a designer/desig= n > > >> group, well, that's ultimately also a PMC decision but with communit= y > > input > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:13 2015] : in general in the past I've see= n > > more > > >> of a " > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:15 2015] : oops > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:23 2015] : community vote on these things. > We > > >> picked the top 5, what do you think? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:27 2015] : I=E2=80=99d say as per > > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html#types this is the =E2=80=9CCre= ate or > > amend > > >> official document=E2=80=9D category > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:42 2015] : true, logo is an official thing > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:10 2015] : tthat says the vote would be on > the > > >> dev list, lazy 2/3rds, with PMC members only being binding votes > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:15 2015] : taht is consistent > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:34 2015] : but deciding how we get that lo= go > > >> done is a non-technical decision which is up to the committers > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:58 2015] : maybe we can simplify things a= nd > > >> just have anyone (including Sean) propose their work, we do a > community > > >> preference vote and then PMC decided > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:11 2015] : no need to make a designer BDF= L > > for > > >> the logo, all designers are BDFL for their proposal > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:12 2015] : i think that's fair, as long as= a > > set > > >> timeline happens > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:27 2015] : e.g. all submissions by march 3= 1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:34 2015] : public vote by april 15 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:36 2015] : Wohali: I=E2=80=99d say how th= e > designers > > >> make the logo is up t them :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:39 2015] : pmc decision by april 30 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:44 2015] : jan____: Wohali wise ideas > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:54 2015] : given we've had a lot of > > submissions > > >> this gives just enough time to pick your best submissions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] : we could even say 1 submission > per > > >> designer > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] : as long as we have the option = to > > >> abort if nothing=E2=80=99s good, I=E2=80=99d be fine with that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:11 2015] : pmc vote could include "d > > onothing," > > >> sure > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:22 2015] : I like that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:25 2015] : Wohali: great input! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:29 2015] : get an alter ego if you want t= o > > have > > >> 2 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015] : hehe, no sock puppets please > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:50 2015] : cool, that sounds like we have= a > > plan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:59 2015] : robertkowalski: do you feel li= ke > > >> writing this up? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:03 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:07 2015] : Wohali: thank you so > much! > > :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:12 2015] : it's what I do. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:30 2015] : jan____: if you could > give > > me > > >> a review before i send to the ML > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:45 2015] : jan____: then for sure! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:50 2015] : robertkowalski: always! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:23 2015] : Wohali: ^5 =E2=80=94 thanks fo= r talking > > this > > >> through, I think we=E2=80=99ve got something here. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:58 2015] : Wohali: one quick questio= n. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:04 2015] : one question: if some > folks > > >> (commiters, pmc) are against changing the logo > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:18 2015] : do they vote -1 in the > > >> committer vote? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:26 2015] : no no the committer vote is "vo= te > > for > > >> your favourite" > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:31 2015] : and we include the original log= o > as > > >> an option > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:45 2015] : Wohali: ah thank you! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:47 2015] : then the PMC vote is to > > accept/reject > > >> the suggestios of the commitmters > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:50 2015] : arun_agarwal: go ahead > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:29 2015] : Wohali: which team decide= s > > the > > >> genuinty of the logo that people are proposing.. the selected logo > > design > > >> could be "inspired" from some > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:35 2015] : other logo and that could > be > > >> problem later on. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:48 2015] : do we have a team which > > brings > > >> this as intellectual property? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:15 2015] : Apache does have legal council > who > > >> can help review these things, yes, as we intend to file the new logo > > under > > >> trademark / service mark law > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:18 2015] : #action robertkowalski writes = a > > text > > >> about the process > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:31 2015] : arun_agarwal: there is a > > trademarks > > >> group at Apache, we=E2=80=99d run the final logo by them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:20 2015] : Wohali, jan____: hmm I > see.. > > >> that would be great, because while it unites us, we probably won't > have > > lot > > >> of time redoing this :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:46 2015] : arun_agarwal: good call! :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:17 2015] : yes i think that happens after > the > > >> committer vote > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:21 2015] : fwiw, the current logo is > > >> dangerously close to the German soccer league: > > >> https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=3Disch&q=3Dbundeliga&tbs=3Di= mgo:1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:25 2015] : because if #1 is a problem, #2 = in > > the > > >> ranking might not be > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:34 2015] : jan, haha > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:41 2015] : i don't fancy fighting FIFA! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:52 2015] : lol yeah, no > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:03 2015] : jan____: where do you see couch > on > > >> bundesliga logo? they aren't close. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:12 2015] : Kxepal: it's a joke, i think > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:18 2015] : huh? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:32 2015] : i don't think they'd seriously > come > > >> after us, but i do see the similarity > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:40 2015] : sorry, seems like my humor > process > > >> died > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:42 2015] : but, it might be hard to file f= or > > the > > >> trademark > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:49 2015] : white shape with pronounced le= gs > > on > > >> red background > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:54 2015] : totally close. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:59 2015] : jan____: too abstract descripti= on > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:14 2015] : it is worse when you see it in > > >> real-life here, I have one on my commute and it gets me every time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:29 2015] : they aren=E2=80=99t pixel-perf= ect > copies, > > >> but if you see one casually trust me, you will think CouchDB :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:35 2015] : all this is off topic for now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:53 2015] : yea, and that's a question for > > >> lawyers (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:58 2015] : let=E2=80=99s wrap this :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:08 2015] : \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:44 2015] : if all done, I have one > quick > > >> point. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:52 2015] : shoot > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:59 2015] : can someone fill the red > TBD > > @ > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Installing+CouchDB > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:28 2015] : few new tech have > introduced > > >> starting 2.0. should we add that or get rid of this table? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:56 2015] : arun_agarwal: ICU/Curl: same a= s > > 1.x > > >> / autoconf/make no longer required > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:16 2015] : i don't think curl is still > > required > > >> in 2.0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:27 2015] : incorrect > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:29 2015] : Wohali: it need for tests iirc > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:30 2015] : at least, i think i removed the > > req't > > >> for that in dbcore prior to the merge? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:31 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:38 2015] : oh. boo. guess that didn't get > > merged. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:54 2015] : still needed for CLI JS tests > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:59 2015] : it is optional > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:00 2015] : we have this wiki page, > > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/INSTALL.Unix and the > > >> official docs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:01 2015] : k > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:04 2015] : and off by default > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:08 2015] : oh and > > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/README-DEV > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:10 2015] : yeah no auto*, but we need reba= r > > now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:21 2015] : and there are the extra req'ts > for > > >> building fauxton > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:29 2015] : rebar and nodejs? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:32 2015] : yeah, as mentioned on the ML, > I=E2=80=99m > > >> worried about duplication of content here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] : and npm > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] : and they are all in > > different > > >> way outdated and up to date > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:46 2015] : can we remove some? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:51 2015] : and grunt etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:59 2015] : see the fauxton readme for > fauxton > > >> deps > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:14 2015] : yes, we have so many link= s > > and > > >> many-many are dead > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:18 2015] : fauxton does not need a > > >> globally installed grunt soon any more > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:25 2015] : > > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/developer-preview/2.0/ shows what is neede= d > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:35 2015] : for one topic we should > > ideally > > >> have one doc and all other should be soft link to the detailed one > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:37 2015] : we should only keep INSTALL.md > and > > >> DEVELOPER.md =E2=80=94 everything else should link to them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:38 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:47 2015] : +1 on that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:58 2015] : jan____: +1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:00 2015] : robertkowalski: nice use of > future > > >> past tense there :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:35 2015] : jan____: and one for docs, or > > >> transform *.md into .rst to make them inclusive for docs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:57 2015] : agree > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:17 2015] : Kxepal: then we have tow place= s > > again > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:31 2015] : Kxepal: but that won't > > generate > > >> twiki? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:37 2015] : jan____: after transform we don= 't > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:46 2015] : oh sorry.. got it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:53 2015] : then we should put it all in t= he > > >> .rst docs and have INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst generated from ther= e > at > > >> build time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:54 2015] : twiki will just link to > these > > >> markdowns > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:07 2015] : arun_agarwal: let=E2=80=99s no= t also add > > >> this to the wiki, we are trying to consolidate, not spread : > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:26 2015] : :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] : right :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] : jan____: yup.. understood > and > > >> agree .. my bad...:) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:49 2015] : no worries > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:52 2015] : jan____: mmm..you suggest to > build > > >> the couchdb, make the docs first? (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:30 2015] : the requirements are: we need > two > > >> top level source tree files that we can have in tarballs (ideally al= so > > git) > > >> and two places in the docs where the user and dev setup are explaine= d. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:48 2015] : can one not link to > these > > >> docs on github and that's it? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:00 2015] : maybe we can make it that the > top > > >> level INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst are included in the docs build > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:04 2015] : sebastianrothbuc: no internet > case > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:06 2015] : that would be easiest > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] : sebastianrothbuc: yes i > > would > > >> prefer that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] : jan____: yeap, clear > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:28 2015] : offlineofflineoffline :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:50 2015] : robertkowalski: no go, can=E2= =80=99t be > > >> online > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:57 2015] : Kxepal: cool, let=E2=80=99s wo= rk on that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:09 2015] : #action Kxepal and jan____ to > > figure > > >> out consolidation of install instructions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:30 2015] : deal (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015] : ASFBot: meeting end > > >> > > >> > > >> Meeting ended at Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > Madhuka Udantha > > > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Madhuka Udantha > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com > --=20 Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! 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