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From Andy Wenk <andyw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting
Date Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:38:01 GMT
Hi all,

just read the transcript of the meeting. Wow - so much progress! high 5 to
all of you. Awesome work!!!

All the best

Andy

On 25 March 2015 at 14:54, madhuka udantha <madhukaudantha@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for information
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Alexander Shorin <kxepal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There wasn't any announcements, so much likely no. Personally, I
> > cannot run it today.
> > --
> > ,,,^..^,,,
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 AM, madhuka udantha
> > <madhukaudantha@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Will the weekly meeting be held today?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, ASF IRC Bot <
> > asfbot@urd.zones.apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Mar 18 20:01:39
> 2015:
> > >>
> > >> Attendees: Wohali, arun_agarwal, Buddhika, Kxepal, Ndeeshaan,
> > >> sebastianrothbuc, nslater, jan____, klaus_trainer, robertkowalski,
> > >> rkowalski__
> > >>
> > >> - Preface
> > >> - fauxton status
> > >> - rcouch merge
> > >> - couchperuser
> > >> - Google Summer of Code (GSoC)
> > >>   - Action: robertkowalski to start vote for couchperuser
> > >> - couchdb-www / www@c.a.o
> > >> - couchdbdocker
> > >> - nano import
> > >> - _bulk_revs
> > >> - 2.0
> > >>   - Action: robertkowalski writes a text about the process
> > >>   - Action: Kxepal and jan____ to figure out consolidation of install
> > >> instructions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> IRC log follows:
> > >>
> > >> ## Preface ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: I would like to welcome
> > >> Ndeeshaan who participates in this gsoc
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:57 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:17 2015] <arun_agarwal>: I am also a first timer
> here
> > :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:21 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: great - welcome!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi arun_agarwal! welcome!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:55 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Hi Robert and everyone in
> the
> > >> team.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:15 2015] <jan____>: heya arun_agarwal & Ndeeshaan
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:21 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: Hi all
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:51 2015] <Kxepal>: Ndeeshaan: arun_agarwal hi and
> > >> welcome (:
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:07:56 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: wanna go with
> your
> > >> topics?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:08:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok!
> > >> ## fauxton status ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: the fauxton testsuite
> > >> (integration tests) will be running on couchdb 2 soon, PR is already
> in
> > >> review
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: for the mango interface
> > that
> > >> means that we can write integration tests for it.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: current status of mango:
> > you
> > >> can create indexes and list them
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: garren currently works on
> > >> rewriting the all-docs-list to react
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: if you know fauxton, you
> > will
> > >> know that the all-docs-list is a horrible, grown, godobject the
> refactor
> > >> solves a lot of problems
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:16 2015] <jan____>: nice!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: michelle rewrites
> > activetasks
> > >> in react
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: and we have a lot of
> > smaller
> > >> bugfixes in the pipeline
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: it think that's it for
> > >> fauxton, i expect the first part of mango getting merged next week,
> > behind
> > >> a small feature-flip
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: so interested folks can
> > test
> > >> it already
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:33 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the code is
> integrated
> > >> into master
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:49 2015] <jan____>: why a feature flip?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:12 2015] <robertkowalski>: currently it is just
> > possible
> > >> to create and list indexes
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:15 2015] <robertkowalski>: not to query
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:44 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i would like to
> > integrate
> > >> into master early and don't want users think it is a bug and create
> jira
> > >> tickets
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:53 2015] <robertkowalski>: + to
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:14 2015] <jan____>: got it, thanks!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:19 2015] <robertkowalski>:
> > >> http://locahlhost:8000/mydatabase?beta=enableQuery
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: and then the menu-point
> > gets
> > >> visible
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:25 2015] <jan____>: cool trick :)
> > >> ## rcouch merge ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: yes, easy as pie
> > but
> > >> very useful
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was wondering what the
> > >> status of the rcouch merge is
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: and Kxepal answered on
> the
> > ML
> > >> that one feature got merged, the others not
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:25 2015] <Wohali>: not sure rnewson or davisp are
> here
> > >> to talk about it
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: it's stalled. we
> > need
> > >> a hero and benoitc to pick the features from those branch
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:52 2015] <Wohali>: some of the features are
> > incompatible
> > >> in their current state, or are broken by clustering
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:17 2015] <Kxepal>: but some features are very useful
> > >> like lagger configuration
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmmm... is it still
> > supposed
> > >> to land in 2.0?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: partially
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:45 2015] <Wohali>: the logging configuration has
> been
> > >> touched differently on master with lager
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:46 2015] <Kxepal>: full merge wasn't in priority
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:15 2015] <Wohali>: i think making any more rcouch
> > merge
> > >> actions for 2.0 a priority will significantly delay its release
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:24 2015] <Wohali>: not saying there's not useful
> stuff
> > >> but beware scope creep!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: fully agreed!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <Wohali>: moving on unless there's more to
> > say
> > >> here
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I think we agreed on
> getting
> > >> 2.0 out and then port over more things
> > >> ## couchperuser ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:43 2015] <robertkowalski>: klaus_trainer pinged me
> > >> yesterday
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: he would like to move
> > >> couchperuser to the asf and would also like to maintain it
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:21 2015] <jan____>: Bob Ippolito wrote this little
> > >> plugin that creates a user DB when a user signs up.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:31 2015] <jan____>: it’s small and useful and he’d
> be
> > >> fine with donating it to the ASF
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:40 2015] <robertkowalski>: thanks jan, sorry for not
> > >> providing context
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:41 2015] <jan____>: I wouldn’t mind taking this on
> as
> > an
> > >> off-by-default feature
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:04 2015] <jan____>: plus klaus is already working on
> > >> making it for 2.0 etc.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:09 2015] <Wohali>: +1, off-by-default, assuming
> there
> > >> are some tests added and it doesn't break in clustered mode
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:13 2015] <klaus_trainer>: See
> > >> https://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchperuser
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:20 2015] <Kxepal>: I guess we need to run a vote and
> > IP
> > >> clearance then
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:32 2015] <jan____>: I’d be happy to be the officer
> > that
> > >> runs the import paperwork
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:49 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: thank you a lot for
> that!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:59 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: has tests, don’t know
> > about
> > >> cluster mode yet, klaus_trainer?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <Buddhika>: Hi peple :D
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <jan____>: been doing imports lately, don’t
> > >> mind it :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:29 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Currently there are no
> tests
> > >> that we can use right now.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: i am happy to help out
> > >> jan____ if klaus_trainer has questions, as i did that for mango with
> > jan____
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:37 2015] <Wohali>: jan____: as always the hard thing
> > is
> > >> that many plugins make assumptions that aren't cluster-safe, e.g.
> being
> > the
> > >> "only" node involved in something, making assumptions about locking
> > things
> > >> down, etc.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:19 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: yeah, looking forward
> how
> > >> klaus_trainer is solving this :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:23 2015] <Wohali>: yay
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:40 2015] <Wohali>: i'd say get the ip clearance
> done,
> > >> put in a branch, hopefully clean up for official 2.0 release
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:20 2015] <Wohali>: anything else?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:32 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Sounds good. I'm
> definitely
> > >> willing to do more work on it assuming that we can integrate it.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:38 2015] <Wohali>: yay
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:40 2015] <Wohali>: moving on
> > >> ## Google Summer of Code (GSoC) ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: shall i kick off a vote
> on
> > >> the dev-ml for the codebase?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:51 2015] <jan____>: in addition, would say this
> isn’t
> > >> blocking 2,0
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:06 2015] <Wohali>: agreed, not a 2.0 blocker, get it
> > in
> > >> a branch and put in 2.0 if we can make it sane
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:23 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: +1
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:49 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: so we are particiapting
> in
> > >> this years google summer of code!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:17 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski to start
> > vote
> > >> for couchperuser
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:22 2015] <jan____>: \o/
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:38 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Yay!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Ndeeshaan and Buddhika
> are
> > >> also here today
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:13 2015] <robertkowalski>: I think we have 5
> students
> > >> that are interested
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the deadline for the
> > >> proposals is in 1-2weeks
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:12 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: 27 th of March is the deadline
> > >> precisely :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are still searching
> for
> > >> mentors, jan____ is mentoring the queryserver protocol improvements,
> > and i
> > >> am mentoring for fauxton
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: but more mentors would be
> > >> even better! :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:20 2015] <Wohali>: i'm sorry that i can't volunteer
> > this
> > >> time
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Buddhika: I will look
> for a
> > >> template for the proposal tonight for you and Ndeeshaan
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:24 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the other students
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:40 2015] <Buddhika>: That would be great
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:46 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: do not worry! <3
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: no worries! next
> > year!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:20 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: robertkowalski: Thanks a lot
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are also happy to help
> > >> with the proposals, at least where we can
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: i think thats it so far
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:32 2015] <Buddhika>: We'll try to prepare draft
> > >> proposals as soon as possible.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:48 2015] <Buddhika>: We have one week to refine
> them.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:27 2015] <robertkowalski>: cool!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:38 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: I have completed my draft
> > proposal
> > >> and I can send it :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:34:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: awesome!
> > >> ## couchdb-www / www@c.a.o ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:35:49 2015] <jan____>: we have a new git repo
> couchdb-www
> > >> that infra is testing git-based website publishing
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:10 2015] <jan____>: it isn’t 100% live yet, but the
> EU
> > >> mirror of the web server is already backed by it. So if we now want to
> > make
> > >> any changes, we have to do it in SVN and git, but only for a short
> > while,
> > >> until more projects signed up to use git and INFRA moves us over fully
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: \o/
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:43 2015] <jan____>: in addition, we agreed to set
> up a
> > >> www@c.a.o mailing list and it exists now, but nothing is happening.
> > Does
> > >> anyone have any insight as to why?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: is it on github?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:11 2015] <jan____>: no github mirror yet
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: i guess everyone
> > is
> > >> waiting for github to send PRs
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:49 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I’ve been pushy, but infra
> > is
> > >> also busy with other stuff
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:26 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: at least i am
> > doing
> > >> that (waiting) before writing to www@ that we have git now
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:30 2015] <jan____>: but about www@ — what are we
> > >> waiting for?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:40:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: arun_agarwal is also
> > >> subscribed waiting for github prs
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:41:31 2015] <robertkowalski>: at least i asked him to
> do
> > >> that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:07 2015] <arun_agarwal>: robertkowalski: yup, true
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:09 2015] <jan____>: ok, thanks!
> > >> ## couchdbdocker ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:24 2015] <jan____>: just FYI: The couchdb-docker
> > project
> > >> is also being imported from github, necessary paperwork on their end
> has
> > >> been filed, next step is getting the IP clearance going, will do that
> > this
> > >> week.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:37 2015] <Kxepal>: \o/
> > >> ## nano import ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:47:13 2015] <jan____>: Garren has been sorting out the
> > >> legal paperwork for nano, and we are close. once that is all done,
> we’ll
> > >> start the usual import procedure, I’m also shepherding that.
> > >> ## _bulk_revs  ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:48:53 2015] <jan____>: I’m interested in optmising
> > >> replication performance using _bulk_revs / COUCHDB-2310
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:25 2015] <jan____>: we are basically waiting for a
> > patch
> > >> from benoitc, but if that doesn’t materialise, I’ll look at doing it
> > from
> > >> scratch.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:38 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: I had a talk with him
> > today
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:40 2015] <Wohali>: +1 to try from scratch
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:51 2015] <Kxepal>: he'll try to find a time to make
> it
> > >> soon
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:53 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: any news?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:15 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: ok, nice to hear.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: did he mention a
> > >> specific timeframe in that he wants to try to find time?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:50 2015] <jan____>: I have a week or two before I
> can
> > >> look into it proper, so that would be my cutoff date
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:23 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: ah ok, good idea
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:24 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: no, but that's in
> > his
> > >> priority list todo for couchdb now as I understood.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:03 2015] <Kxepal>: so let's give him a little bit
> time
> > >> to finish the job
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:13 2015] <jan____>: k
> > >> ## 2.0 ##
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was one week away but i
> > >> think nothing has happened for 2.0, right?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:51 2015] <robertkowalski>: i still did not have time
> > to
> > >> work on my items, blocked by mango and other stuff
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:59 2015] <jan____>: small things, as far as I can
> see
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:02 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: nothing criminal,
> > >> right
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:52 2015] <jan____>: I did some local hacking on the
> > >> build/packaging stuff, but need to find more time, nothing to show yet
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: can i send you a
> > pr
> > >> with my script that pulls names out of the subrepos?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:41 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to several
> people
> > >> and they all said we don't need the number of commits
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:09 2015] <jan____>: just commit to my branch
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: because the exact number
> of
> > >> commits is broken as some commmits are still in the old couchdb master
> > >> branch, some not
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:34 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: is there any jira
> > >> ticket where the hack steps are documented?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:00 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: which hack steps
> > >> specifically?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:15 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: on build/packaging
> > >> stuff.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:02 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: was just curious,
> > >> nothing specific :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:17 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: hm, there isn‘t
> much
> > >> to explain
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:36 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: I’m currently
> > working
> > >> here https://github.com/apache/couchdb/pull/302
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:39 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: ohk. I see, please
> > go
> > >> ahead.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:58 2015] <jan____>: there is some feedback that I
> need
> > >> to incorporate
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:22 2015] <jan____>: and I think I’m blocked by a
> > cyclic
> > >> dependency, but I’ll figure it out. Might have to rename ./configure
> to
> > >> ./bootstrap
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:34 2015] <jan____>: or strip some stuff from
> > ./configure
> > >> and move it into a ./bootstrap, but not 100% sure yet
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <jan____>: anything else on 2.0?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: sure.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:06 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh sebastianrothbuc you
> > write
> > >> "BTW: so did copying in 1.6.1 files, calling them from local port,
> > >> replicating them up to the cluster port." - does that fix COUCHDB-2593
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: ?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:28 2015] <robertkowalski>:
> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2593 - maybe you can
> > take a
> > >> look later
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:03 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: at least I tried to
> > destroy
> > >> something in such a setup (i.e. copy "old" 1.6.1 .couch files into the
> > 2.0
> > >> data dir
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:05 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: but it just works
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:10 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you get the databases
> on
> > >> the local port
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:19 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you can create one
> (same
> > >> name) on the cluster port
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:20 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: replicate
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:22 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: and that's it
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:23 2015] <jan____>: I’d like to start looking at
> > running
> > >> the 1.x JS test suite against master, so we can see how compatible 1.x
> > and
> > >> 2.0 are going to be.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:42 2015] <jan____>: This will require some changes
> and
> > >> reorganisation to the tests, but I think it’ll be very worth it, if we
> > want
> > >> to make upgrades as painless as possible
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:02 2015] <jan____>: (nice)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:10 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: js test suite need in
> > global
> > >> refactoring, since it still remember the days when it ran from
> browsers
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:30 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can't we run it from
> > >> browser again?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:38 2015] <Kxepal>: "some changes" may be not a
> trivial
> > >> to made
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:59 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no, because
> some
> > >> browsers (I didn't mention chome) are buggy on some cases
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:07 2015] <jan____>: I know there was a lot of work
> on
> > >> other sort of tests as well, but as far as I can tell, they are all
> > >> tailored for 2.0/master. I’m specifically interested in 1.x compat
> and I
> > >> think the JS tests cover the API well and have yet only run against
> the
> > >> local interface
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:15 2015] <jan____>: why does it need a major
> refactor?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:37 2015] <jan____>: they run in browsrs and on the
> CLI
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:46 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: because it's full of
> > terror
> > >> if you're trying to figure why test fails.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:06 2015] <jan____>: all we need to do is point them
> at
> > >> the cluster port and disable the ones that we don’t expect to work
> > (_config
> > >> etc)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:23 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: I’ve lived in that world
> > for
> > >> many years, I’m not afraid
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:37 2015] <jan____>: and I don’t want to refactor the
> > >> tests because I specificallyw ant to run out 1.x suite against 2.0
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:44 2015] <jan____>: once we are over, we can do
> > whatever
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: not sure to hug you or
> > call
> > >> a hero
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:19 2015] <jan____>: lol <3
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:54 2015] <jan____>: I’mma bring this up on dev@
> > >> separately to hear from folks
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:12 2015] <Kxepal>: good call
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:28 2015] <jan____>: I think that will flush out some
> > >> more things we need to do, but after that, we are getting closer to
> the
> > >> final stretch
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: short question reagrding
> > the
> > >> logo process
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to sean and he
> > would
> > >> take the proposed position on the mailinglist. can i propose him or
> how
> > >> does it work?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:10:53 2015] <jan____>: what do you mean “proposed
> > position“
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:11:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: nslater sent an mail to
> the
> > >> mailing list:
> > >>
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201503.mbox/%3CCAPaJBx4gf-yAnMPDGrKnWuN-FsC0dmuBeNLvaVpcDCyAr5CYGQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: "The community selects a
> > >> person or person(s) to
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: do the design. That
> person
> > is
> > >> then entrusted to do the stuff. No
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:10 2015] <robertkowalski>: voting necessary.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: "
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:26 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: ok, but we have a
> > >> group of people that made a logo. each own with own vision and
> > arguments.
> > >> what's now?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:31 2015] <jan____>: good question, I think yeah,
> just
> > >> nominate him
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:54 2015] <jan____>: design by committee!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: so far no one got
> > >> nominated by anyone
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:28 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i am also not sure
> what
> > >> we do if we have multiple nominations.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmm..
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:39 2015] <nslater>: I'm at a gig
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: what do you
> think?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:50 2015] <nslater>: just to say: my email was just a
> > >> recommendation
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:56 2015] <jan____>: I’m in favour of letting a
> > >> professional designer take this on. They can work with the other
> > proposal
> > >> people to figure out which way to go
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:01 2015] <nslater>: let's do whatever makes sense
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:02 2015] <jan____>: ultimately the PMC decides
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:08 2015] <jan____>: nslater: get out of here
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:10 2015] <nslater>: my words are not golden
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:13 2015] <jan____>: nslater: <3
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:16 2015] <nslater>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:31 2015] <nslater>: cya!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:53 2015] <jan____>: what is important: we will hurt
> > >> people’s feelings, we need to be prepared to do this
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:01 2015] <jan____>: this isn’t everybody throws
> their
> > >> patch/+1 in
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:20 2015] <Wohali>: sorry i was lying down
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:39 2015] <Wohali>: can someone give me a quick
> > question
> > >> as to "what do you think" means?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:21 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: we are unsure
> about
> > >> the process regarding the logo and how to proceed with the many
> > submissions
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:31 2015] <jan____>: I like Noah’s suggestion, the
> PMC
> > is
> > >> the customer and makes the final call, they work with a nominated
> > designer
> > >> that works out one or more proposals with the other community folks.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:40 2015] <jan____>: community gets to vote on
> > >> preferences, PMC makes a call.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:03 2015] <jan____>: I have no qualms about having
> > >> Sean/Cloudant be that designer
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:04 2015] <Wohali>: agree, PMC is the ajudicator and
> > >> probably will result in a PMC vote. We need to review the bylaws on
> this
> > >> one to ensure there's appropriate precedent there
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: you mean adding
> > that
> > >> process to the bylaws?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:21 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm...I'd like to argue
> > you,
> > >> but not now
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:39 2015] <Wohali>: robertkowalski: all standards re:
> > >> voting are in the bylaws. not sure if this is covered.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:47 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: let’s do it on
> marketing@
> > —
> > >> I’ll reply there
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: ok
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:54 2015] <Wohali>: as for picking a designer/design
> > >> group, well, that's ultimately also a PMC decision but with community
> > input
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:13 2015] <Wohali>: in general in the past I've seen
> > more
> > >> of a "
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:15 2015] <Wohali>: oops
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:23 2015] <Wohali>: community vote on these things.
> We
> > >> picked the top 5, what do you think?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:27 2015] <jan____>: I’d say as per
> > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html#types this is the “Create or
> > amend
> > >> official document” category
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:42 2015] <Wohali>: true, logo is an official thing
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:10 2015] <Wohali>: tthat says the vote would be on
> the
> > >> dev list, lazy 2/3rds, with PMC members only being  binding votes
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:15 2015] <Wohali>: taht is consistent
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:34 2015] <Wohali>: but deciding how we get that logo
> > >> done is a non-technical decision which is up to the committers
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:58 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can simplify things and
> > >> just have anyone (including Sean) propose their work, we do a
> community
> > >> preference vote and then PMC decided
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:11 2015] <jan____>: no need to make a designer BDFL
> > for
> > >> the logo, all designers are BDFL for their proposal
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:12 2015] <Wohali>: i think that's fair, as long as a
> > set
> > >> timeline happens
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:27 2015] <Wohali>: e.g. all submissions by march 31
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:34 2015] <Wohali>: public vote by april 15
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:36 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: I’d say how the
> designers
> > >> make the logo is up t them :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:39 2015] <Wohali>: pmc decision by april 30
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:44 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: Wohali wise ideas
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:54 2015] <Wohali>: given we've had a lot of
> > submissions
> > >> this gives just enough time to pick your best submissions
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <Wohali>: we could even say 1 submission
> per
> > >> designer
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <jan____>: as long as we have the option to
> > >> abort if nothing’s good, I’d be fine with that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:11 2015] <Wohali>: pmc vote could include "d
> > onothing,"
> > >> sure
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:22 2015] <jan____>: I like that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: great input!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:29 2015] <jan____>: get an alter ego if you want to
> > have
> > >> 2
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015] <Wohali>: hehe, no sock puppets please
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:50 2015] <jan____>: cool, that sounds like we have a
> > plan
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:59 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: do you feel like
> > >> writing this up?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:03 2015] <jan____>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: thank you so
> much!
> > :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:12 2015] <Wohali>: it's what I do.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: if you could
> give
> > me
> > >> a review before i send to the ML
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: then for sure!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: always!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:23 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: ^5 — thanks for talking
> > this
> > >> through, I think we’ve got something here.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: one quick question.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: one question: if some
> folks
> > >> (commiters, pmc) are against changing the logo
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: do they vote -1 in the
> > >> committer vote?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:26 2015] <Wohali>: no no the committer vote is "vote
> > for
> > >> your favourite"
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:31 2015] <Wohali>: and we include the original logo
> as
> > >> an option
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: ah thank you!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:47 2015] <Wohali>: then the PMC vote is to
> > accept/reject
> > >> the suggestios of the commitmters
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:50 2015] <Wohali>: arun_agarwal: go ahead
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: which team decides
> > the
> > >> genuinty of the logo that people are proposing.. the selected logo
> > design
> > >> could be "inspired" from some
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: other logo and that could
> be
> > >> problem later on.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:48 2015] <arun_agarwal>: do we have a team which
> > brings
> > >> this as intellectual property?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:15 2015] <Wohali>: Apache does have legal council
> who
> > >> can help review these things, yes, as we intend to file the new logo
> > under
> > >> trademark / service mark law
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:18 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski writes a
> > text
> > >> about the process
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:31 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: there is a
> > trademarks
> > >> group at Apache, we’d run the final logo by them
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:20 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali, jan____:  hmm I
> see..
> > >> that would be great, because while it unites us, we probably won't
> have
> > lot
> > >> of time redoing this :D
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:46 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: good call! :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:17 2015] <Wohali>: yes i think that happens after
> the
> > >> committer vote
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:21 2015] <jan____>: fwiw, the current logo is
> > >> dangerously close to the German soccer league:
> > >> https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bundeliga&tbs=imgo:1
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:25 2015] <Wohali>: because if #1 is a problem, #2 in
> > the
> > >> ranking might not be
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:34 2015] <Wohali>: jan, haha
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:41 2015] <Wohali>: i don't fancy fighting FIFA!
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:52 2015] <jan____>: lol yeah, no
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:03 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: where do you see couch
> on
> > >> bundesliga logo? they aren't close.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:12 2015] <Wohali>: Kxepal: it's a joke, i think
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:18 2015] <jan____>: huh?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:32 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think they'd seriously
> come
> > >> after us, but i do see the similarity
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:40 2015] <Kxepal>: sorry, seems like my humor
> process
> > >> died
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:42 2015] <Wohali>: but, it might be hard to file for
> > the
> > >> trademark
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:49 2015] <jan____>: white shape with pronounced legs
> > on
> > >> red background
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:54 2015] <jan____>: totally close.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:59 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: too abstract description
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:14 2015] <jan____>: it is worse when you see it in
> > >> real-life here, I have one on my commute and it gets me every time
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:29 2015] <jan____>: they aren’t pixel-perfect
> copies,
> > >> but if you see one casually trust me, you will think CouchDB :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:35 2015] <jan____>: all this is off topic for now
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:53 2015] <Kxepal>: yea, and that's a question for
> > >> lawyers (:
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:58 2015] <jan____>: let’s wrap this :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:08 2015] <rkowalski__>: \o/
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:44 2015] <arun_agarwal>: if all done, I have one
> quick
> > >> point.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:52 2015] <jan____>: shoot
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:59 2015] <arun_agarwal>: can someone fill the red
> TBD
> > @
> > >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Installing+CouchDB
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:28 2015] <arun_agarwal>: few new tech have
> introduced
> > >> starting 2.0.  should we add that or get rid of this table?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:56 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: ICU/Curl: same as
> > 1.x
> > >> / autoconf/make no longer required
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:16 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think curl is still
> > required
> > >> in 2.0
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:27 2015] <jan____>: incorrect
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:29 2015] <Kxepal>: Wohali: it need for tests iirc
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:30 2015] <Wohali>: at least, i think i removed the
> > req't
> > >> for that in dbcore prior to the merge?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:31 2015] <jan____>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:38 2015] <Wohali>: oh. boo. guess that didn't get
> > merged.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:54 2015] <jan____>: still needed for CLI JS tests
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:59 2015] <jan____>: it is optional
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: we have this wiki page,
> > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/INSTALL.Unix and the
> > >> official docs
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:01 2015] <Wohali>: k
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:04 2015] <jan____>: and off by default
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh and
> > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/README-DEV
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:10 2015] <Wohali>: yeah no auto*, but we need rebar
> > now
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:21 2015] <Wohali>: and there are the extra req'ts
> for
> > >> building fauxton
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: rebar and nodejs?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:32 2015] <jan____>: yeah, as mentioned on the ML,
> I’m
> > >> worried about duplication of content here
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <Wohali>: and npm
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: and they are all in
> > different
> > >> way outdated and up to date
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: can we remove some?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:51 2015] <jan____>: and grunt etc.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:59 2015] <jan____>: see the fauxton readme for
> fauxton
> > >> deps
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:14 2015] <arun_agarwal>: yes, we have so many links
> > and
> > >> many-many are dead
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: fauxton does not need a
> > >> globally installed grunt soon any more
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:25 2015] <jan____>:
> > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/developer-preview/2.0/ shows what is needed
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: for one topic we should
> > ideally
> > >> have one doc and all other should be soft link to the detailed one
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:37 2015] <jan____>: we should only keep INSTALL.md
> and
> > >> DEVELOPER.md — everything else should link to them
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:38 2015] <arun_agarwal>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:47 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: +1 on that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: +1
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:00 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: nice use of
> future
> > >> past tense there :D
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:35 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: and one for docs, or
> > >> transform *.md into .rst to make them inclusive for docs
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:57 2015] <Wohali>: agree
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:17 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: then we have tow places
> > again
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Kxepal: but that won't
> > generate
> > >> twiki?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:37 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: after transform we don't
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:46 2015] <arun_agarwal>: oh sorry.. got it
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:53 2015] <jan____>: then we should put it all in the
> > >> .rst docs and have INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst generated from there
> at
> > >> build time
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:54 2015] <arun_agarwal>: twiki will just link to
> these
> > >> markdowns
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:07 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: let’s not also add
> > >> this to the wiki, we are trying to consolidate, not spread :
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:26 2015] <jan____>: :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <jan____>: right :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: yup.. understood
> and
> > >> agree .. my bad...:)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:49 2015] <jan____>: no worries
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm..you suggest to
> build
> > >> the couchdb, make the docs first? (:
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:30 2015] <jan____>: the requirements are: we need
> two
> > >> top level source tree files that we can have in tarballs (ideally also
> > git)
> > >> and two places in the docs where the user and dev setup are explained.
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:48 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can one not link to
> these
> > >> docs on github and that's it?
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:00 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can make it that the
> top
> > >> level INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst are included in the docs build
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:04 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no internet
> case
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:06 2015] <jan____>: that would be easiest
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: sebastianrothbuc: yes i
> > would
> > >> prefer that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: yeap, clear
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:28 2015] <jan____>: offlineofflineoffline :)
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: no go, can’t be
> > >> online
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:57 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: cool, let’s work on that
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:09 2015] <jan____>: #action Kxepal and jan____ to
> > figure
> > >> out consolidation of install instructions
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:30 2015] <Kxepal>: deal (:
> > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015] <jan____>: ASFBot: meeting end
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Meeting ended at Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Madhuka Udantha
> > > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Madhuka Udantha
> http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com
>



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